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re: DeSantis: Trump must ‘step up’ and appear at primary debates, not ‘entitled’ to nomination
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:32 am to MAADFACTS
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:32 am to MAADFACTS
You want to be president? Develop a personality that people gravitate towards. Reagan, Bush, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Obama, Trump - notice a similarity, with the exception of HW who had the good fortune of being Reagan’s VP, all of them had personalities people liked. Hell, even Sleepy Joe had the “I’m just a guy from Delaware” thing going before his slip into senility. DeSantis is like Republican Hilary Clinton. Yeah they both have their supporters, even ardent ones, but no one likes them or wants to see them on tv all the time. Ask Hilldawg how that turned out in 2016
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 10:34 am
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:33 am to ELVIS U
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All he "must" do is run. His campaign is up to him. I don't blame Desantis for trying to goad him into a debate that can only help him. I don't blame Trump for skipping until his campaign needs to do otherwise. Let the all communicate with the voters as they see fit.
This is by far the most correct take in this thread, but come in, man. Isn’t arguing more fun?
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:34 am to MAADFACTS
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Develop a personality
I think this says more than you realize. Trump developed a wrestling personality that some found appealing. Many more did not.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I think this says more than you realize. Trump developed a wrestling personality that some found appealing. Many more did not.
Oh for sure. And unlike Reagan, Clinton, W., Obama, his charisma has nothing to do with telling the American people positive things about America and that there’s going to be hope tomorrow. He is far more negative than any of them, and that’s far more polarizing especially if you don’t agree with him. Add to that his penchant for bragging and it’s not easy to guess why people hate him, but the people who hate him don’t vote in the Republican primary, and the people who love him shouldn’t be made to feel like they should bow to the wishes of people who aren’t going to vote for the Republican candidate anyway. The hate Trump crowd isn’t going to turn out for DeSantis. At most you can hope they don’t turn out for Biden without the Trump boogeyman, but it’s not like DeSantis is some tax cuts and defense spending Republican from a decade ago. He is a culture warrior and that will be enough to motivate a lot of them to come out anyway. But Trump also gets people who don’t vote usually or vote only for Trump to come out. Can DeSantis get those people? Maybe some of them, but I think his oath in the general is actually harder than Trump’s and the evidence for that is that he can’t get within 30 pts of Trump in the primary
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:47 am to MAADFACTS
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Oh for sure. And unlike Reagan, Clinton, W., Obama,
None of these had extremely high unfavorable ratings. Trump does. He has the highest 'unfavorable" of any national politician.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 10:48 am
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:05 am to MAADFACTS
Vote how you want, but don't pretend devotion to an individual puts the onus of another Biden term on others.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:23 am to frogtown
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None of these had extremely high unfavorable ratings. Trump does. He has the highest 'unfavorable" of any national politician.
What do you think “unlike” means?
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:24 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Vote how you want, but don't pretend devotion to an individual puts the onus of another Biden term on others.
I will, but again, if DeSantis was as good a candidate as you say he is, he’d be winning
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:28 am to MAADFACTS
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I will, but again, if DeSantis was as good a candidate as you say he is, he’d be winning
If he’s a good candidate, he will make progress towards winning. The primaries haven’t even begun.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:29 am to MAADFACTS
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I will, but again, if DeSantis was as good a candidate as you say he is, he’d be winning
How good of a candidate have I said he is?
Regardless, your assertion isn't accurate. First, we're still six months away from making such a claim.
Second, Trump has built a cult of personality, and there is a sizeable group of people who would vote for him over fricking Lincoln, Washington, Reagan, etc.
That's why his numbers appear so inflated in these bullshite polls the propagandists are spreading.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:31 am to PrivateJoker1776
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Can I ask why literally anyone cares about this stupid pageant when it’s obvious the president doesn’t even decide anything? Is it just like rooting for your favorite sports team or what? Stop living vicariously through these criminals
The Supreme Court is conservative for a generation after several generations of being liberal because of Trump. Trump undid all kinds of executive orders that Obama had done, and wrote tons of his own. Of course, Biden immediately undid all of his executive orders, but he wouldn’t have been able to if Trump was still president. The president also gets to appoint the heads of federal agencies. The president can’t decide the day to day operations of government because it is too massive an enterprise for anyone to do that, but they do impact policy and culture (by virtue of the pageant) dramatically. It’s weird to pretend that none of it matters
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:33 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Regardless, your assertion isn't accurate. First, we're still six months away from making such a claim. Second, Trump has built a cult of personality, and there is a sizeable group of people who would vote for him over fricking Lincoln, Washington, Reagan, etc. That's why his numbers appear so inflated in these bull shite polls the propagandists are spreading.
But that’s the point. If Trump can do this and DeSantis can’t, I’m going to need to see a lot of concrete proof that DeSantis is the better candidate. You can’t just say, my guy is only losing because the other guy has more devoted followers!
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:38 am to MAADFACTS
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If Trump can do this and DeSantis can’t
I don't see devotion to politicians as a positive. I hope DeSantis makes the focus about how he's helped Florida, not why we should follow him no matter what he says or does. The support will come organically, like it did in Florida.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't see devotion to politicians as a positive. I hope DeSantis makes the focus about how he's helped Florida, not why we should follow him no matter what he says or does. The support will come organically, like it did in Florida.
The support came from old people moving to the villages and Cubans in Miami voting overwhelmingly Republican. It’s not clear that he could pull that swing off anywhere else in the country. And I get it, inspiring a passionate response isn’t high on your list of criteria. Unfortunately, we live in a world where that continues to be extremely useful for winning national elections and will presumably continue to live in such a world until the Lord comes back or the scientist edit are genomes and turn us into something else entirely
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:53 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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propagandists
That you, Otto?
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:55 am to MAADFACTS
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The support came from old people moving to the villages and Cubans in Miami voting overwhelmingly Republican. It’s not clear that he could pull that swing off anywhere else in the country.
That support didn't fall from the sky. Those folks voted for DeSantis because they like what he's been doing for Florida.
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And I get it, inspiring a passionate response isn’t high on your list of criteria.
Inspiring a passionate response from the opposition isn't a good thing.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:56 am to BBONDS25
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Otto
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:00 pm to MAADFACTS
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I will, but again, if DeSantis was as good a candidate as you say he is, he’d be winning
It’s July. It’s a name recognition game at this point.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:02 pm to MAADFACTS
Any Republican would’ve had the Supreme Court conservative under the circumstances
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That support didn't fall from the sky. Those folks voted for DeSantis because they like what he's been doing for Florida.
Old people are overwhelmingly rightwing and have been for a long time. Florida wouldn’t even have been competitive without them a decade ago. Cubans hate socialism and the Democratic Party is increasingly ok with socialism and has promoted people like AOC and the squad, and they’ve seen the success of Bernie Sanders in the last two primaries and they started jumping ship.
That isn’t to say that DeSantis didn’t do anything for the support. Obviously keeping the state open during Covid and pushing back against Disney have helped, but my point is he already had the wind at his back from demographics that are unique to Florida. I’m also not convinced that his beef with Disney could have happened in another state. Disney can’t just uproot Disney World and leave. They were uniquely stuck in place when DeSantis decided to seek revenge. It’s Disney’s fault. It was their own hubris that led them to believe a governor wouldn’t attack a major job provider in the heart of his state, and that they could appeal to the cultural biases of their millennial and younger fans without repercussion. And I’ll give DeSantis again, a normal governor wouldn’t have fought back. But so what? It’s not replicable anywhere else. And he still can’t get anyone to like him.
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Inspiring a passionate response from the opposition isn't a good thing.
100% agree. That’s why it’s going to be an absolutely awful election season again. It’s been fun arguing with you, but I think knowing how gross the next year is going to be, maybe we should call a truce for the time being
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