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Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:23 pm to TigerIn2023
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You’ve finally convinced me that all these medical experts are completely wrong and don’t know what they are talking about!
Finally... you've spent what... a day and a half or two days... defending those that you now admit had no idea what they were talking about. At least you finally got there.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:29 pm to TigerIn2023
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Really looking forward to you claiming that a physician with 46 years of experience in the physiology of breathing ain’t qualified to make that assertion.
quote:... AND YOU ARE STILL ABLE TO BREATHE!
When the trachea is restricted to 15% of that, he said, "you are still able to speak."
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:29 pm to MemphisGuy
I know! I was a fool! It turns out my issue was that I kept finding all these statements from qualified individuals who held contradictory statements from what I want to be true. All I really need to do is go on an LSU sports message board and repeat the same contradictory info without supplying anything to support the argument and it magically becomes true! I had not idea!
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:31 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:You're illiterate?
without supplying anything to support the argument
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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... AND YOU ARE STILL ABLE TO BREATHE!
There it is! “This physician with 46 years of experience in the physiology of breathing doesn’t know what he’s talking about because I can post in all caps!”
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:35 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:Negative. He didn't make the statement that one cannot breathe through a moderately narrowed tracheal opening. At least if he did, I've not seen it.
There it is! “This physician with 46 years of experience in the physiology of breathing doesn’t know what he’s talking about
You made that extrapolation. It was dumb.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:41 pm to NC_Tigah
That’s because he never said he couldn’t breathe.
You made the extrapolation that he was arguing he could not breathe. It was dumb.
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Tobin said the actions by Chauvin and two other officers, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane, compressed Floyd's airway and forced him to take shallow breaths. That prevented his lungs from getting rid of carbon dioxide and replenishing oxygen. Over time, Tobin said, Floyd's oxygen level dropped to the point that it led to a seizure. He said Floyd's cause of death was lack of oxygen, which also caused brain damage and an abnormal heartbeat.
You made the extrapolation that he was arguing he could not breathe. It was dumb.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:43 pm to TigerIn2023
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Floyd cried out, "I can't breathe" more than 20 times.
quote:Uhmmm ...
That’s because he never said he couldn’t breathe.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:49 pm to NC_Tigah
Your reading comprehension cannot be that bad.
Tobin did not argue that Floyd cannot breathe.
Tobin did not argue that Floyd cannot breathe.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:05 pm to TigerIn2023
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Tobin did not argue that Floyd cannot breathe.
Lol. You’re saying the expert who came to the conclusion that Floyd died from compression asphyxia did not conclude he couldn’t breathe?
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:14 pm to the808bass
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Lol. You’re saying the expert who came to the conclusion that Floyd died from compression asphyxia did not conclude he couldn’t breathe?
At this point, TigerIn2023 and Gymnopedies are exactly like my dogs when they get to chasing their tails... they THINK they are chasing something "important" but they'll never catch it, or if they do, they'll be quite sorry when they bite down on what they catch.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:19 pm to the808bass
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Tobin said the actions by Chauvin and two other officers, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane, compressed Floyd's airway and forced him to take shallow breaths. That prevented his lungs from getting rid of carbon dioxide and replenishing oxygen.
Over time, Tobin said, Floyd's oxygen level dropped to the point that it led to a seizure. He said Floyd's cause of death was lack of oxygen, which also caused brain damage and an abnormal heartbeat.
Tobin said he watched videos of Floyd's arrests "hundreds of times" and calculated that Chauvin's left knee was on Floyd's neck for the majority of the 9 minutes and 29 seconds he was restrained on the ground.
The effect of the officers' actions and Floyd's position was almost "as if a surgeon had gone in and removed the lung," Tobin said, referring to Floyd's left lung.
Tobin said images from the videos show Floyd trying to use his right fingers and knuckles to raise the right side of his chest to get air into his lungs. "This tells you he has used up his resources and he's literally trying to breathe with his fingers and knuckles," Tobin said.
Floyd's position restricted a part of the airway called the hypopharynx, which is vulnerable because it is so narrow, Tobin said.
As Chauvin pressed his knee into Floyd's hypopharynx area, Tobin said, it became harder for Floyd to breathe than it would have been if he been inhaling through a drinking straw.
At one point, Tobin asked jurors to feel their own necks to locate the hypopharynx, spurring a brief interruption as the lawyers conferred with Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill. The judge told jurors they didn't have to follow his instructions, but nearly all did anyway.
Tobin testified about an image from a video showing the toe of Chauvin's left boot lifted off the ground as he kneeled on Floyd. At that point, Tobin testified, 91.5 pounds were pressed directly onto Floyd's neck. Even when Chauvin's toes were on the ground, he said Floyd had 86.9 pounds on his neck.
Tobin said Floyd's lung capacity dropped by nearly a quarter when he was placed in the prone position. Once Chauvin pressed his knee onto Floyd's neck, his lung capacity dropped again, for a total reduction of 43%, Tobin calculated.
"Now the work Mr. Floyd has to perform is huge," Tobin said. "With each breath, he has to fight against the street, fight with the small volumes he has, and try to lift up the officer's knee with each breath, and has to also lift up the effect of the officer pumping up his arm – the handcuffed arm."
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:23 pm to TigerIn2023
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"Now the work Mr. Floyd has to perform is huge," Tobin said. "With each breath, he has to fight against the street, fight with the small volumes he has, and try to lift up the officer's knee with each breath, and has to also lift up the effect of the officer pumping up his arm – the handcuffed arm."
Blah Blah Blah... nothing more than editorialized comment by the paid witness. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:27 pm to MemphisGuy
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nothing more than editorialized comment by the paid witness. Nothing more, nothing less.
quote:whoopsies!
Tobin has been an expert witness in many court cases, most involving allegations of medical malpractice. But this was his first criminal case, which he said is one reason he didn't seek payment when the prosecution contacted him.
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:31 pm to TigerIn2023
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he didn't seek payment when the prosecution contacted him.
Means nothing. Was he or was he not compensated?
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:33 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:The conversation you quoted did not refer to causative external obstruction. It referred to restriction. That could have been caused by chest compression, but not neck compression. Tobin would know that.
Tobin did not argue that Floyd cannot breathe.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:36 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:IIRC, he reached out to the prosecution.
he didn't seek payment when the prosecution contacted him
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:36 pm to MemphisGuy
Imagine being this incapable of finding easily verifiable facts without assistance…
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Tobin, who said he's not being paid for his testimony…
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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That could have been caused by chest compression, but not neck compression. Tobin would know that.
TIL the hypopharynx is in a person’s chest
LOLOLOLOLOL
I’m beginning to think now that I should stick with the opinion of the doctor from the Mayo Clinic.
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