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re: Democrats criticize GOP for moving forward on repeal of Obamacare
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:23 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:23 pm to BamaAtl
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30M people being kicked off of their health insurance
Isn't that the same number that was used to get the law passed? 30 million uninsured?
It's the same number still uninsured today.
33 Million "Still" don't have insurance
The ACA was a lie and was used to push towards single payer, and not the noble reason you choose to believe. It's a disaster of a law.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:24 pm to Hawkeye95
link? Or is this typical democrat "they don't know what's good for em" bullshite?
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:30 pm to BamaAtl
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Without a mandate, who's going to buy that?
Consumers who feel they need it. Just like every other product sold in this country.
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Lot of healthy 27 year-olds looking to get into the health insurance market before they need it, in your eyes?
No, and they shouldn't have to when said coverage covers maternity, drug dependency, hormone replacement, etc... Smart young people will obtain catastrophic policies instead of these ridiculously expensive "one size fits all" plans they sell now.
A mandate isn't constitutional anyway, but since this is a tax (and not a mandate), repealing a tax is a pretty common function of the legislative branch.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:07 pm to Hawkeye95
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I dont think there is a replacement that will address its shortcomings. But it doesn't mean one doesn't exist.
I agree. The problem is, you can't run on magical fairy dust as a replacement for a concrete policy. Especially when you'll be forcibly ripping that policy away from a ton of people who truly need it.
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The democrats have zero power here, so all they can do it cheer/jeer
yes and no. Not every part of the ACA is subject to reconciliation, so the filibuster ensures at least part of it survives.
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Let the Rs own this.
I'd really prefer letting the R's own it not involve tangible harm to thousands of people, given the alternatives.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:08 pm to Hawkeye95
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The 50-65 age group is the one that likely benefits the most. Trump handily won that age group.
Under the presumption that he surely wouldn't take away their much-needed health insurance.
There have been a number of good pieces about this, and people don't enjoy realizing they were conned.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:10 pm to BamaAtl
I'll be enjoying monday when dabo beats that arse.
are you ready?
are you ready?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:10 pm to MSMHater
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Consumers who feel they need it. Just like every other product sold in this country.
What's going to stop consumers from forgoing insurance until they need it, in the form of costly medical care that is more expensive than the premiums?
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mandate isn't constitutional anyway
I see someone hasn't paid attention to SCOTUS.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:14 pm to TrueTiger
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Just get rid of it and get out of the way of the market already.
Yes because the market was perfect before Obamacare.
What are you morons going to do when this is repealed and cost still rise?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:17 pm to Strannix
They don't realize that high deductibles and large copays result in unaffordable healthcare. What good is insurance when you can't afford it?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:18 pm to CaptainBrannigan
It was a lot better and affordable then after the ACA was passed.
Also, there are still 30 Million uninsured. Remember when that was all going to be taken care of with the passing of ACA?
Good times.
Also, there are still 30 Million uninsured. Remember when that was all going to be taken care of with the passing of ACA?
Good times.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:20 pm to BamaAtl
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What's going to stop consumers from forgoing insurance until they need it, in the form of costly medical care that is more expensive than the premiums?
Stupidity mostly. Just like before the ACA. It's difficult to legislate away stupidity in a country predicated on freedom.
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I see someone hasn't paid attention to SCOTUS.
Are you serious with this shite? That you would take what I posted an infer that I'm ignorant of the Roberts decision. Again, your credibility has absolutely gone to shite. You're not even trying to consider other points anymore. Just replying without thining. So fricking disappointing with so few other HC workers on this board.
The constitutionality of the mandate was upheld due to its associated tax penalty. As a "tax for the general welfare." The mandate alone would not be constitutional, as written by Roberts.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I'll be enjoying monday when dabo beats that arse.
Big words from a team that couldn't beat 0hi0 State or an ACC team, and lost to Iowa (IOWA!).
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:21 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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It was a lot better and affordable then after the ACA was passed.
That's why we have 20M newly insured people, and costs growing at a slower rate than the ACA.
You've solved the mystery, without the benefit of any education or understanding of the topic!
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:24 pm to BamaAtl
You think those people are insured because it got cheaper?
That is funny right there.
Those people are insured on the backs of those who actually pay. It was a wealth redistribution plan and one designed to fail to bring single payer.
That is funny right there.
Those people are insured on the backs of those who actually pay. It was a wealth redistribution plan and one designed to fail to bring single payer.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:26 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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was a lot better and affordable then after the ACA was passed.
Do you really believe that?
My insurance now is lower than it was in 2009.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:28 pm to CaptainBrannigan
I know that. Unlike you I have been working for awhile with a family and living it. I know what I paid for and what I am paying now. Yes I believe it and know it to be true.
Enjoying that subsidy are you?
Why is there still 30+ Million uninsured?
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My insurance now is lower than it was in 2009.
Enjoying that subsidy are you?
Why is there still 30+ Million uninsured?
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:22 pm to BamaAtl
How many hospitals were on the verge of going bankrupt?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:31 pm to BamaAtl
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But repealing and delaying the repeal is cowardly.
Um, no. Delaying when it takes effect allows a transition to the new system.
Open enrollment closes 11 days after the inauguration, and most of the reimbursement schedules are locked in. Changes need to take effect for 2018 and 2019 so insurers, patients, and providers can plan effectively.
Repealing with all provisions gone as of 1/20 would be colossally stupid, and would harm thousands of people while providing no relief to the tens of millions who were harmed by the ACA.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:45 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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You think those people are insured because it got cheaper?
He's using Common Core math.
Reality says the Rust Belt got slammed with premium increases. That's why those states turned red. Even Democrat governors admit Ocare is an utter failure (Mark Dayton, for example). Probably because they're viewing it from ground level and not the DC bubble.
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