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re: Definitive #Obamagate Timeline (8PM 3/17 Update)
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:05 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:05 pm to joshnorris14
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Now that we know Obama didn't physically bug Trump Tower himself we can move on to important things. Like why Trump and associates were surveilled.
Suspicion of Treason seems like a pretty solid reason
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Take it up with the nytimes
"Intercepted Russian communications part of inquiry into Trump associates."
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:14 pm to AgentOrange71
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Suspicion of Treason seems like a pretty solid reason
Keeping that old hag Hillary out of the White House isn't treason you fricking fool.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:24 pm to AgentOrange71
They used wiretapped. Sorry.
And whether they were targeting associates or trump (we'll likely never know) they were his phones.
And whether they were targeting associates or trump (we'll likely never know) they were his phones.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 3:27 pm to AgentOrange71
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Suspicion of Treason seems like a pretty solid reason
So paranoia driven sensationalism? Orrrrr McCarthyism ?
Looks like trump is right again.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:59 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Take it up with the nytimes
If the Russian Ambassador calls me, the call will be recorded. That doesn't mean "The Trump Regime is tapping my phone"
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:21 pm to joshnorris14
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March 15th, 2017 ( Washington Post)
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes confirms that Obama did not physically bug Trump Tower himself.
Right, not physically but we all know Obama ordered the Code Red.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:36 pm to Seldom Seen
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Right, not physically but we all know Obama ordered the Code Red.
I missed that fact. Send me the link to where Obama ordered any surveillance of trump.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:53 pm to montanagator
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If the Russian Ambassador calls me, the call will be recorded. That doesn't mean "The Trump Regime is tapping my phone"
We already know it was Flynn who was targeted.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 6:05 pm to AgentOrange71
There is more than one way to tap into something....don't be too hasty in one's dismissal
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:04 am to joshnorris14
From your 3/15 Trump article:
DJT:
DJT Tweet:
Look at all those quotes on "tapp my phones"...oh wait, nevermind Trump lies about this again.
DJT:
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Nobody ever talks about the fact that [the words 'wires tapped'] was in quotes [in the tweet], but that’s a very important thing."
DJT Tweet:
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How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
Look at all those quotes on "tapp my phones"...oh wait, nevermind Trump lies about this again.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:48 am to Tiger Tracker
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Look at all those quotes on "tapp my phones"...oh wait, nevermind Trump lies about this again.
His other tweet clearly had the word "wire tapped" in it. He sent three tweets in a row on the matter.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 2:08 am to AUstar
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His other tweet clearly had the word "wire tapped" in it. He sent three tweets in a row on the matter.
Agreed, but he didn't quote this one. My point is the president can't go off with half cocked accusations. His accusations still haven't been supported by many others within the intelligence community.
Eta: without sufficient evidence to support his claims, don't you think Trump should be held accountable for his false accusations? He equated obama to nixon afterall.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 2:10 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 5:14 am to Tiger Tracker
And the Left calls Trump Hitler. Obama himself has insulted Trump repeatedly during the campaign with some pretty nasty statements and accusations.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 6:06 am to antibarner
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:02 am to joshnorris14
1. Evidence that Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians to ‘influence’ the election: 0.
But the Far Left will continue to beat that horse long after the decayed carcass has lost its foul smell.
2. Evidence that the Russians ‘hacked’ something, like the DNC’s server: Significant (unless the ‘Umbrage Theory’ is made manifest)
The Far Left will conflate this with the larger conspiracy theory called ‘it’ as in: ‘We know the Russians did it and what we are concerned about is whether they colluded with any Americans, especially those in the Trump campaign, to do it. (it has variable meanings but is most often defined in vague terms of ‘collusion with the Russians' -see #1)
3. Evidence that Obama ordered a wiretap of Trump tower and the Trump campaign: Likely 0 – due mainly to procedural barriers meant to route such administration through the DOJ or NSA.
The Far Left is happy to parse a Trump tweet literally and shout from the hilltops that Trump was ‘lying’ or, at the very least, very wrong.
4. Evidence that incidental collection of Trump campaign communications occurred through FISA authorized surveillance, that these communications were leaked, and that unmasking of Americans' names occurred (leaking and unmasking are strictly illegal): High Probability that evidence exists.
The Far Left will continue to caterwaul about the “wire tapping”, though, to distract from #4 because #4 is every bit as bad as #3, with only the saving grace (from the Far Left’s perspective) that Obama probably can’t be directly linked to the incidental collection outcomes.
But the Far Left will continue to beat that horse long after the decayed carcass has lost its foul smell.
2. Evidence that the Russians ‘hacked’ something, like the DNC’s server: Significant (unless the ‘Umbrage Theory’ is made manifest)
The Far Left will conflate this with the larger conspiracy theory called ‘it’ as in: ‘We know the Russians did it and what we are concerned about is whether they colluded with any Americans, especially those in the Trump campaign, to do it. (it has variable meanings but is most often defined in vague terms of ‘collusion with the Russians' -see #1)
3. Evidence that Obama ordered a wiretap of Trump tower and the Trump campaign: Likely 0 – due mainly to procedural barriers meant to route such administration through the DOJ or NSA.
The Far Left is happy to parse a Trump tweet literally and shout from the hilltops that Trump was ‘lying’ or, at the very least, very wrong.
4. Evidence that incidental collection of Trump campaign communications occurred through FISA authorized surveillance, that these communications were leaked, and that unmasking of Americans' names occurred (leaking and unmasking are strictly illegal): High Probability that evidence exists.
The Far Left will continue to caterwaul about the “wire tapping”, though, to distract from #4 because #4 is every bit as bad as #3, with only the saving grace (from the Far Left’s perspective) that Obama probably can’t be directly linked to the incidental collection outcomes.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:22 am to Tiger Tracker
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ook at all those quotes on "tapp my phones"...oh wait, nevermind Trump lies about this again
No he didn't.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:23 am to Turbeauxdog
He admits right here that he has NO proof except what he read in the nyt and saw on tv.
"TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): On March 4th, 6:45 in the morning, you are down in Florida, and you tweet "The former administration wiretapped me, surveilled me at Trump Tower during the last election." How did you find out? You said "I just found out," how did you learn that?
DONALD TRUMP: I had been reading about things. I read in -- I think it was January 20th, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping. There was an article, I think they used that exact term. I read other things. I watched your friend Bret Baier the day previous, where he was talking about certain, very complex sets of things happening, and wiretapping. I said "Wait a minute, there's a lot of wiretapping being talked about." I have been seeing a lot of things -- now, for the most part, for the most part I'm not going to discuss it because we have it before the committee, and we will be submitting things before the committee very soon that have not been submitted as of yet. But, it's potentially a very serious situation.
[...]
CARLSON: Why not wait to tweet about it until you can prove it? Don't you devalue your words when you can't provide evidence?
TRUMP: Because -- well, because The New York Times wrote about it. You know, not that I respect the New York Times, I call it the failing New York Times, but they did write on January 20th, using the word "wiretap." Other people have come out with --
CARLSON: Right, but you are the president. You have the ability to gather all the evidence you want.
TRUMP: I do, I do, but I think that frankly, we have a lot right now, and I think if you watch -- if you watched the Bret Baier and what he was saying, and what he was talking about and how he mentioned the word wiretap, you would feel very confident that you could mention the name.
He mentioned it, and other people mentioned it, but if you take a look at some of the things written about wiretapping and eavesdropping -- and don't forget, when I say "wiretap," those words were in quotes. That really covers -- because wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff, but that really covers surveillance and many other things, and nobody ever talks about the fact that it was in quotes, that's a very important thing. But wiretap covers a lot of different things, I think you are going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks."
"TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): On March 4th, 6:45 in the morning, you are down in Florida, and you tweet "The former administration wiretapped me, surveilled me at Trump Tower during the last election." How did you find out? You said "I just found out," how did you learn that?
DONALD TRUMP: I had been reading about things. I read in -- I think it was January 20th, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping. There was an article, I think they used that exact term. I read other things. I watched your friend Bret Baier the day previous, where he was talking about certain, very complex sets of things happening, and wiretapping. I said "Wait a minute, there's a lot of wiretapping being talked about." I have been seeing a lot of things -- now, for the most part, for the most part I'm not going to discuss it because we have it before the committee, and we will be submitting things before the committee very soon that have not been submitted as of yet. But, it's potentially a very serious situation.
[...]
CARLSON: Why not wait to tweet about it until you can prove it? Don't you devalue your words when you can't provide evidence?
TRUMP: Because -- well, because The New York Times wrote about it. You know, not that I respect the New York Times, I call it the failing New York Times, but they did write on January 20th, using the word "wiretap." Other people have come out with --
CARLSON: Right, but you are the president. You have the ability to gather all the evidence you want.
TRUMP: I do, I do, but I think that frankly, we have a lot right now, and I think if you watch -- if you watched the Bret Baier and what he was saying, and what he was talking about and how he mentioned the word wiretap, you would feel very confident that you could mention the name.
He mentioned it, and other people mentioned it, but if you take a look at some of the things written about wiretapping and eavesdropping -- and don't forget, when I say "wiretap," those words were in quotes. That really covers -- because wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff, but that really covers surveillance and many other things, and nobody ever talks about the fact that it was in quotes, that's a very important thing. But wiretap covers a lot of different things, I think you are going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks."
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:25 am to AgentOrange71
It's ironic that the biggest whiner about fake news is the very one propagating it
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:32 am to Tiger Tracker
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Trump should be held accountable
Good luck with that on this board.
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