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re: DC homeowner fatally shoots 13-year-old boy breaking into cars

Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:31 am to
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:31 am to
Pedahank:

Are you claiming the shooter in this case is a vigilante?
Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
19868 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:39 am to
Shooter needs a community service Medal of Honor for cleaning up the streets.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:55 am to
quote:

Hank: Are you claiming the shooter in this case is a vigilante?
If you reference the DC shooting, no, I never made that claim.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6488 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:58 am to
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Still waiting for a reference to the “civilized” society that executed horse thieves, Tommy.



Steal someone's ability to earn income and you're putting his livelihood in jeopardy. I know it seems like no big deal to you, but some people NEED their car. It's not for you to blow it off like it's some $5 knick-knack.

Just to give you a little anecdote:

Know those crab traps you see floating around in the gulf? My Dad told me, "See that. That's a man's livelihood. Don't you ever touch one, because these men will shoot you and use you to bait the next trap."

If people had a general understanding of the seriousness of theft like that, there wouldn't be the frickery that this young punk was engaged in.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:07 am to
quote:

Steal someone's ability to earn income and you're putting his livelihood in jeopardy. I know it seems like no big deal to you, but some people NEED their car. It's not for you to blow it off like it's some $5 knick-knack.
Absolutely no one has condoned the actions of the thieves. The only point of contention is whether killing a criminal for theft is an appropriate penalty.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6488 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:08 am to
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The only point of contention is whether killing a criminal for theft is an appropriate penalty.


Yes.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173785 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:13 am to
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Steal someone's ability to earn income and you're putting his livelihood in jeopardy. I know it seems like no big deal to you, but some people NEED their car. It's not for you to blow it off like it's some $5 knick-knack.

Yeah...that's why you call your boss and tell them that your car is stolen and you need to make some calls and arrange for a ride to work

One way to not make it to work is to shoot someone not in the act of self defense and spend the next 10 years in jail
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:21 am to
quote:

The only point of contention is whether killing a criminal for theft is an appropriate penalty.
quote:

Yes.

Which takes us back to the question “How large a theft?”

$1000?
$100?
$10?
a stick of gum?

Let’s not add a bunch of other variables. We are not talking about the statutes of any given jurisdiction, because they vary. We are talking about morals/philosophy. The victim is not in any danger. He is holding those items in his hand, and the thief takes them. is the victim morally/philosophically justified to kill the perpetrator in order to recover his stick of gum? His $10?
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 6:32 am
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:23 am to
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The anonymity of the Internet gives them the opportunity to strip away whatever thin veneer of civilization they may have and to show their true selves.


So a man who thinks it's OK for grown men in dresses to expose themselves to children in a Public Library is lecturing the board on what it means to be "civilized"?

Mmmmmk......
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5719 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:31 am to
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Absolutely no one has condoned the actions of the thieves. The only point of contention is whether killing a criminal for theft is an appropriate penalty.


aggie....you are ignoring real life. your world simply does not exist, except in your mind. and the minds of people like you.

in the real world, the government has a few responsibilities. on of which is a police force to protect citizens and their property.

in your world, this kid spends the majority of his life in jail. that rarely happens. he will be released for some stupid reason. commit another crime. then maybe go back to prison. if you know the recidivism rate, then act accordingly.

now that government has blatantly turned a blind eye to this kind of thing, effectively they have, no matter the underlying reason for not policing. now the citizens must handle their own protection. now you have someone that, by definition, does not play by the rules, fighting someone that does play by the rules. that is not a fair fight. this is where you land. the honest citizen lives with killing someone on his conscience.

having said all of that, the lib mind works in very mysterious ways. "put him in jail for life". next conversation includes,"...the prison system is racist and we must purge the non-violent offenders from the system." might this include car robbery? you have just argued in a circle. I am NOT putting those words in your mouth in THIS instance, but both of these arguments are typical circular liberal "logic".

now aggie can either not respond because he knows that i am right, or he can avoid my points by breaking down the semantics of this entire thread.

short version.... aggie, you are enabling the criminal by not dealing with the criminal. maybe not purposefully, but in real life this is what you are doing.

This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 6:36 am
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6488 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:32 am to
quote:

Yeah...that's why you call your boss and tell them that your car is stolen and you need to make some calls and arrange for a ride to work



Why not just let him burn your house down too while you're out?

The point is not that someone is simply stealing. They're depriving someone of their ability to earn a living. That's not a trifling thing.

I doubt the punk was killed just for stealing too. He was confronted by the homeowner and in the process was shot. I doubt our friendly 13 y/o innocent sweetheart was apologizing.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19536 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:34 am to
Moron
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:37 am to
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More kids getting killed over some spare change? Get a grip. That’s a really sick and twisted point of view.


No, it's a long term solution to a problem that will save many many lives.

You see, by showing these idiots that there are terminal consequences to their actions, they will eventually learn not to be pieces of shite.

In the long run, this idiot's SACRIFICE will save lives by serving as an example of how not to live your life.

Also, this fine young man will now be knocked out of the breeding pool and unable to have several babies by several different baby Momma's.



Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19536 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:37 am to
A thief deserves no quarter. He steals 1st time...cut off his hand. 2nd time...6 feet under.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6488 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:39 am to
quote:

Which takes us back to the question “How large a theft?”

$1000?
$100?
$10?
a stick of gum?


It's not the dollar amount.

There are people that would steal your stuff just to throw it in the trash. They'll bust a window out for a candy bar, and spit it out on your seats, because, "frick you" that's why.

If people have no respect for me and my possessions, then I have no respect for them and their lives.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:40 am to
You certainly raise valid, pragmatic questions. In response, I ask you whether utilitarianism should be the only consideration in examining these situations. In other words, should we not first answer the philosophical questions, and then work out the pragmatic solutions?

Personally, I am (barely) old enough to remember the notion of a prison system that is self-sustaining. Inmates working in the hot sun every day to raise the food necessary to feed them selves. In my humble opinion, such a system would cut recidivism significantly.

Philosophically, however, you will have a hard time ever convincing me that it is not utterly barbaric to kill a criminal for theft. The penalty is simply grossly-disproportionate to the crime, whether imposed by the state or by an individual citizen.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 6:41 am
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:42 am to
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They should be killed for stealing? frick is wrong with y’all? Forget ever trying to take the moral high ground on anything ever again.


Why are you such a racist?

Why do you want to see so many young black men forever stuck in the cycle of crime, imprisonment and poverty?

Is this some sort of sick, sexual fetish you have?

You ENJOY seeing the cycle continue, while we want to see it ENDED.

The way to END this cycle and turn these idiots' lives around is by showing them that there are some very, very permanent consequences to their actions.

You see, this young man wasn't going to suddenly stop being a POS and become a productive member of Society.

Thanks to YOU and people like you, he was going to continue a life of crime, only the crimes were going to become bigger and more violent.

These thugs KNOW that if they are caught, it will be a matter of hours before they are back on the street, TERRORIZING decent human beings.

This man's death should serve as a warning to his homies and racist Liberal POS like you: People are SICK of it, people are OVER it.

Because you are a racist, you are spitting on this young man's sacrifice.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:43 am to
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Philosophically, however, you will have a hard time ever convincing me that it is not utterly barbaric to kill a criminal for theft.


I speak for everyone on the board when I say "Thank God the opinion of an Internet Troll is completely worthless...."
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71974 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:48 am to
It was wrong to do that. Sorry folks.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5719 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:50 am to
quote:

should we not first answer the philosophical questions, and then work out the pragmatic solutions?


no, we should not. individuals will become victims to these thugs while you pontificate the outcomes of your ideas. you first deal with the crime. Punish it harshly. then, and only then, you TRY to deal with the criminal.

"philosophically" = not the real world.

quote:

Personally, I am (barely) old enough to remember the notion of a prison system that is self-sustaining. Inmates working in the hot sun every day to raise the food necessary to feed them selves. In my humble opinion, such a system would cut recidivism significantly.


in LA there is one prison that is self-sufficient. in 99.9% of the cities around this country, this is simply not available. thus, again, not the real world.

come back to the real world with the rest of us.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 6:54 am
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