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re: Daily COVID Updated as of 11/2/20 8:00 PM

Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:26 pm to
Up is down
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:26 pm to
Our testing is heavily ramping up so the numbers will keep going up. however the mortality rate is going down showing its not as deadly as first stated. It does appear to be highly contagious but its only killing the most vulnerable many of which died before we had the slightest handle on what was happening.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:33 pm to
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however the mortality rate is going down showing its not as deadly as first stated.


Mortality isn’t best compared with our current cases, especially at this point. I think it’s going to come in under 1%. But the new cases will resolve into recovered or death in 12-18 days. So deaths will lag new cases.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:42 pm to
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So if we aren’t seeing any slowdown in 3-4 weeks, all bets are off.



I agree with this. Of course, I also think it will be almost over in 3 to 4 weeks.

But, can folks hang on for that long without permanent financial damage? A lot of Americans live right on the edge - paycheck to paycheck. This should be a wake up call, but the next crisis will raise the same questions.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 9:43 pm
Posted by Jinglebob
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:43 pm to
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There was no spike in increased cases due to more testing.


So that means the rate of new cases is actually decreasing?

We went from only a few hundred daily tests 2 weeks ago to 2500 daily tests last week to 10k+ daily tests this week.

New cases should be skyrocketing. Or at least 4x+ compared to last week.

Right?

Eta: I guess there is a lag period, so maybe next week new cases will go 4x?
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 9:45 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:46 pm to
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I also think it will be almost over in 3 to 4 weeks.


I agree. We’re hopefully in the middle of it now.
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:53 pm to
The median incubation is 5.1 days and 98% of all cases show within 11 days. If that’s true The quarantining should start showing results by next the week or two.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:57 pm to
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He had been exposed 10 days prior
i made this point days ago. this spike in cases ARE NOT new cases. these are largely test results that were already in the pipeline because the test results are taking days to return. i personally know someone in this boat.

what does that mean? it means that these "new" cases really should have been on previous days' growth rate %, not today's. that moves the number up from previous days and today's number down which means the numbers for the last 2 days didn't really spike up nearly as much. A LOT of context is needed to discern what's really going on.
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:58 pm to
I was told the test takes about five days so there should be a five day lag in the data.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:00 pm to
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was told the test takes about five days so there should be a five day lag in the data.


Test can be turned around in 4-24 hours. But symptoms lag by ~4 days.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:01 pm to
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Is there a number that red flags in the brain start going off at?
the only way i can answer that question is to compare to previous outbreaks - h1n1, seasonal flu, etc. this thing is not even a blip on the radar at this time. we aren't even at 10k deaths worldwide after at least 3 months of exposure. i realize you could say that china is misreporting their numbers but, even if they are, that still doesn't amount to much historically speaking
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:01 pm to
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A LOT of context is needed to discern what's really going on.


This is certainly true.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:02 pm to
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So that means the rate of new cases is actually decreasing?

We went from only a few hundred daily tests 2 weeks ago to 2500 daily tests last week to 10k+ daily tests this week.

New cases should be skyrocketing. Or at least 4x+ compared to last week.

Right?

Eta: I guess there is a lag period, so maybe next week new cases will go 4x?


New cases have been following an exponential curve within 4% error or so. Thats a near constant new rate of cases. If the rate of new cases spiked you would see that reflected in that rate. It hasnt happened yet. That could be due to cases having a lag in reporting.

Deaths on the other hand spiked relative to the rate they had been. If you could see a log graph its plainly visible.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 10:05 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:02 pm to
Just out of curiosity where does the RO on this compare to other highly contagious viruses?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154284 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:03 pm to
I was exposed to hundreds of people while volunteering at the players golf tournament. I must be too mean for this virus. I just don’t get why I don’t have it. I’m over 8 days in.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21689 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:04 pm to
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h1n1, seasonal flu


So lets say the flu has killed 22,000 people since October 2019. That implies roughly 122 deaths/day.

At the current rate of growth thats a mark you will hit within two weeks, and it will most likely keep increasing from there.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 10:08 pm
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:07 pm to
just to keep some perspective, after 6 months of exposure, there were 20 million cases of h1n1 in the us alone. no quarantines. no social distancing. no closing of industries. there are not even 250k reported cases of covid-19 worldwide after at least 3 months of reporting. asian countries are already reporting a plateau in the number of cases.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:07 pm to
You have calculated the mortality/fatality rate using, as a denominator, the number of cases that had been confirmed as of the date of death.

However, patients who die on any given day were infected earlier, and therefore the denominator of the mortality rate should be the total number of patients infected at the same time as those who died, which, in this case, is generally taken to be 14 days before the date of death.

Maybe you could provide both rates since many people on here have been used to seeing the resultant mortality rate in a certain range.

You might describe the added rate as the 14 day delay mortality rate in order to differentiate it.


Your work posting these tables is appreciated.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:07 pm to
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Just out of curiosity where does the RO on this compare to other highly contagious viruses?


We don’t know. Estimates everywhere from an R0 of 1.4 to 6.something. Both of those can be probably thrown out and we can settle somewhere closer to 2.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 10:10 pm to
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However, patients who die on any given day were infected earlier, and therefore the denominator of the mortality rate should be the total number of patients infected at the same time as those who died, which, in this case, is generally taken to be 14 days before the date of death.


Except for when that doesn’t happen. Death can be much quicker than 14 days. A Boone County resident in Missouri was largely asymptomatic two days ago. And today they are dead. A Kansas City, KS man admitted to the hospital for cardiac symptoms and passed within 24 hours. He was discovered to have the virus postmortem.
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