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re: Court upholds Florida law requiring felons to pay fines, fees before they can vote
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:48 pm to MurraytheDivot
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:48 pm to MurraytheDivot
Negative.
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:49 pm to MurraytheDivot
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What if they are unable to pay?
Tough shite.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:52 pm to MurraytheDivot
quote:No, I don't. If a prison term is fulfilled, then they should be just like anyone else. Shouldn't lose voting rights just because fines/fees are unpaid.
Good point. You know the answer.
To be clear - I'm not talking about, e.g., literal restitution for a victim.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
If they were part of the felony conviction pay up if you want to vote. Simple fix.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:55 pm to Jbird
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If they were part of the felony conviction pay up if you want to vote. Simple fix.
Truth
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:58 pm to Jbird
quote:That's fine. I was thinking of things like unpaid traffic tickets from before you went in and the like.
If they were part of the felony conviction pay up if you want to vote. Simple fix.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
Copy.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:01 pm to MurraytheDivot
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What else would you call it? A million potential voters.. Florida GOP was desperate to keep them away from the polls so they created a new law to stop these people from voting.
creating a new law or further clarifying a law already on the books? If you haven't paid all fines and costs, then you haven't completed all the terms of your sentence pursuant to the law giving them an avenue to be eligible to vote.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:05 pm to MurraytheDivot
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You shouldn't lump in court costs, restitution for goods purchased, etc.
Maybe they should just start putting people back in jail who don't pay fines like they used to. You realize many of these people will NEVER pay all their fines and fees unless there's an incentive to do so. But as it stands, people are rarely actually punished for not paying those fees, and those fees/costs/restitution, many times, are a huge part of their plea agreement with the state to reduce their sentence.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
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If a prison term is fulfilled, then they should be just like anyone else. Shouldn't lose voting rights just because fines/fees are unpaid.
They lost voting rights when they broke the law. When they were sentenced or agreed to a plea agreement with the State, they were told to do x, y, and z as the terms of that sentence. If they have no fulfilled all terms of that sentence, as ordered by a judge, then no, they have not "fulfilled their prison term."
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:09 pm to MurraytheDivot
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Person B: former felon without rich family has to help support his family and does not get to vote until he pays fines, fees, and restitution for his phone time during prison
You really think it's "just" for it to shakeout like that?
maybe don't break the law if voting is that important to you
The vast majority of ex-cons wouldn't vote anyways unless someone compelled them to do it. And democrats have no shame harvesting votes from deplorables off the street. "Hey guys, come out and vote. We've got busses ready to take everyone to the closest polling location." "Not registered? Don't worry about that. Don't have an ID? Don't worry about that either." "Just make sure you vote for the person with a D next to their name."
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:18 pm to Jbird
I don't agree with this on principle. Nobody should be denied constitutional rights for committing crimes unless through amending the constitution. However, it is a good move politically for conservatives.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:21 pm to arcalades
Meh been like this for decades.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:22 pm to arcalades
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Nobody should be denied constitutional rights for committing crimes unless through amending the constitution
They don't need to amend anything. Denying voting rights for being a criminal is outlined in Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.
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Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
***See Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974)
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 9/11/20 at 3:40 pm to MurraytheDivot
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Great example of the Republican party actively disenfranchising voters
One side is so pathetic they want criminals to vote to prop up there horrid and pathetic views......even ones still IN PRISON....
Posted on 9/11/20 at 4:00 pm to BHTiger
Several counties are waving those fees and those former felons are registering now.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 4:18 pm to MurraytheDivot
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What if they are unable to pay? Or what if the state has no idea how much money they actually owe?
Then they haven’t completed their sentence and restitution. These felons aren’t innocent victims. They left innocent victims in their wake and have obligations to meet to prove they are ready and able to be contributing members of society. Frankly, they are lucky they have a path to regain those rights at all.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 4:29 pm to MurraytheDivot
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Florida GOP was desperate to keep them away from the polls so they created a new law to stop these people from voting.
I'd say they fine tuned what it means to have "completed" your sentence and rehabilitation. If it's within the purview of Florida to allow convicted felons to vote, they should be able to state the terms, definitions, and exceptions.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 4:39 pm to Jbird
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The ruling, which came as a disappointment to Democrats, comes less than two months before the November election.
FIFY
Posted on 9/11/20 at 5:11 pm to MurraytheDivot
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No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses
Date Effective: January 8, 2019
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In mid-2019 Republican Governor DeSantis signed a bill into law which originated in the Florida Senate, SB 7066, which required that "people with felony records pay 'all fines and fees' associated with their sentence prior to the restoration of their voting rights"
Sounds like he signed a law that the more clearly defined the requirements already listed in the law passed given then a right to regain their vote.
Completing all terms of their sentence would include fines, fees, restitution, etc. Why would they regain their right to vote when they haven’t finished paying their debt to society?
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