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County defies atheist group's demands, keeps crosses on courthouse
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:06 pm
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In defiance of the atheist activist group, Freedom From Religion Foundation, officials from San Jacinto County in east Texas voted to keep four crosses on the county courthouse.
But more than that, the crosses were lighted at night following the vote, according to Dwayne Wright, the chairman of the county Republicans.
"Cheers to leaders of San Jacinto County for taking a stand to preserve a cross on the county courthouse in the wake of attacks from Wisconsin based Freedom From Religion Foundation," local political adviser and professor Christian Collins also noted on his Facebook page. "San Jacinto County Commissioners Court voted to preserve the cross, and last night it was lit. Some would rather we forget our nation's Christian heritage, but that's not how we roll here in Texas."
The FFRF said it received a complaint from a resident of Coldspring — the 900-strong city where the courthouse sits — that the county displays the crosses "all year round and even lights [them] up during the holiday season," Fox News reported.
"The Constitution requires that the government not promote and advance or endorse religion, and by endorsing Christianity as the official county religion by having these symbols up on the county courthouse, the County is violating the establishment clause," Chris Line, an attorney for the FFRF, told the cable network.
But then members of the community got mad — and packed a commissioners court meeting last Wednesday where about 600 people showed up and spurred on nearly 2 1/2 hours of public comment, Fox News said.
"I am a Christian woman, a child of God," one woman said, according to the network. "I'm here today as a servant of Jesus Church, our Lord and Savior, asking that the crosses on our courthouse in Coldspring be left on this building."
Christian Stanley, a student at Cavalry Christian Academy, said to the Freedom From Religion Foundation that "you're forcing up your beliefs upon others."
The result? County lawmakers voted unanimously to keep the four Latin crosses up, Fox News said.
Pastor Phil Herrington of First Baptist Church told the network that the FFRF prevents Christians' freedom to express their faith.
"Their religion is humanism," Herrington told Fox News of the FFRF. "What they're saying is Christ followers cannot express their freedom, their voice of worship, their voice of God. Yet, they want to express themselves."
But Line disagreed, telling the network that "the government is endorsing Christianity, not the people. In fact, the only thing it's doing right now is suppressing non-Christians' ability to practice their religion."
After the county's decision to keep the cross up, Line told Fox News in a statement that it's "extremely disappointing that the County has decided to continue violating the constitutional rights of its citizens. FFRF will be following up with our local complainant and evaluating our next steps."
In defiance of the atheist activist group, Freedom From Religion Foundation, officials from San Jacinto County in east Texas voted to keep four crosses on the county courthouse.
But more than that, the crosses were lighted at night following the vote, according to Dwayne Wright, the chairman of the county Republicans.
"Cheers to leaders of San Jacinto County for taking a stand to preserve a cross on the county courthouse in the wake of attacks from Wisconsin based Freedom From Religion Foundation," local political adviser and professor Christian Collins also noted on his Facebook page. "San Jacinto County Commissioners Court voted to preserve the cross, and last night it was lit. Some would rather we forget our nation's Christian heritage, but that's not how we roll here in Texas."
The FFRF said it received a complaint from a resident of Coldspring — the 900-strong city where the courthouse sits — that the county displays the crosses "all year round and even lights [them] up during the holiday season," Fox News reported.
"The Constitution requires that the government not promote and advance or endorse religion, and by endorsing Christianity as the official county religion by having these symbols up on the county courthouse, the County is violating the establishment clause," Chris Line, an attorney for the FFRF, told the cable network.
But then members of the community got mad — and packed a commissioners court meeting last Wednesday where about 600 people showed up and spurred on nearly 2 1/2 hours of public comment, Fox News said.
"I am a Christian woman, a child of God," one woman said, according to the network. "I'm here today as a servant of Jesus Church, our Lord and Savior, asking that the crosses on our courthouse in Coldspring be left on this building."
Christian Stanley, a student at Cavalry Christian Academy, said to the Freedom From Religion Foundation that "you're forcing up your beliefs upon others."
The result? County lawmakers voted unanimously to keep the four Latin crosses up, Fox News said.
Pastor Phil Herrington of First Baptist Church told the network that the FFRF prevents Christians' freedom to express their faith.
"Their religion is humanism," Herrington told Fox News of the FFRF. "What they're saying is Christ followers cannot express their freedom, their voice of worship, their voice of God. Yet, they want to express themselves."
But Line disagreed, telling the network that "the government is endorsing Christianity, not the people. In fact, the only thing it's doing right now is suppressing non-Christians' ability to practice their religion."
After the county's decision to keep the cross up, Line told Fox News in a statement that it's "extremely disappointing that the County has decided to continue violating the constitutional rights of its citizens. FFRF will be following up with our local complainant and evaluating our next steps."
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:09 pm to Crimson Wraith
I can't be the only atheist who doesn't give a shite on seeing a cross.
I honestly don't give a shite about any of it.
As long as it isn't pushed on me. Although, some atheist need to rethink their tactics. Because they're doing the same.
I honestly don't give a shite about any of it.
As long as it isn't pushed on me. Although, some atheist need to rethink their tactics. Because they're doing the same.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:09 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:09 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:
. In fact, the only thing it's doing right now is suppressing non-Christians' ability to practice their religion
Yeah well, frick voodoo...and witchcraft...and all the other bullshite...
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:17 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:
but that's not how we roll here in Texas
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:43 pm to Crimson Wraith
Only the Christian worldview provides a basis for rational thought. Atheists have no basis for arguing that they are right.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:45 pm to FooManChoo
Explain this.
Empirical vs faith based views have a merit for debate. It's the forcing of those views is the problem.
Which we see here. Good for the county in defying that order.
Empirical vs faith based views have a merit for debate. It's the forcing of those views is the problem.
Which we see here. Good for the county in defying that order.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:54 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:
"What they're saying is Christ followers cannot express their freedom, their voice of worship, their voice of God. Yet, they want to express themselves."
No one is saying that, just move the shite across the street.
You want to praise Jesus, do it at church, at your house, at your business, I don't give a frick where you do it so long as it isn't at a government building.
When you are a public servant, you represent people of all faiths and beliefs, so take your paycheck and show some damn respect.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 4:02 pm to hoojy
quote:
As long as it isn't pushed on me. Although, some atheist need to rethink their tactics. Because they're doing the same.
Thank you for not being narrow minded.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 4:14 pm to Muthsera
quote:Or just throw this guy up right in the middle of the crosses:
No one is saying that, just move the shite across the street.
You want to praise Jesus, do it at church, at your house, at your business, I don't give a frick where you do it so long as it isn't at a government building.
When you are a public servant, you represent people of all faiths and beliefs, so take your paycheck and show some damn respect.
All views, no censorship!
Posted on 5/15/19 at 4:56 pm to Crimson Wraith
They should put a few more out. Maybe cut the hedges into crosses.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:07 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Only the Christian worldview provides a basis for rational thought.
¿What the frick is Asia?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:16 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:That resident can pack up his uhaul and move to Vermont
The FFRF said it received a complaint from a resident of Coldspring
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:47 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:
The Constitution requires that the government not promote and advance or endorse religion,
Wrong. The condo says the government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Displaying a cross or 10 commandments does not equal making a law. Praying I’m school does not equal making a law. However, prohibiting the display of symbols or saying of prayers is in direct violation of the constitution because those prohibitions equals establishing laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:48 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
However, prohibiting the display of symbols or saying of prayers is in direct violation of the constitution because those prohibitions equals establishing laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:51 pm to JuiceTerry
Nah, that's bullshite.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:44 am to hoojy
quote:Only the Christian worldview allows for the intelligibility of the universe, from science to morality and ethics.quote:
Only the Christian worldview provides a basis for rational thought. Atheists have no basis for arguing that they are right.
Explain this.
For the atheist who believes all that exists is what is matter, they have no basis for immaterial things like laws of logic or morality. There is no basis for assuming uniformity in nature. They assume it because of experience but experience can't rationally account for such a thing because no one has experienced everything.
Morality can't be accounted for because there cannot be any moral absolutes. Therefore each person is a standard to themselves and saying something is "good" or "bad" has no real value to it.
All other worldviews are self-defeating from a philosophical standpoint. Only the Biblical Christian worldview offers an internally consistent basis for understanding anything in our universe.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:46 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
support
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:47 am to Darth_Vader
quote:So you're pro-Baph
However, prohibiting the display of symbols or saying of prayers is in direct violation of the constitution because those prohibitions equals establishing laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
Rock on
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