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Conservative Treehouse thinks whistleblower scheme is a way to get Mueller Grand Jury test

Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted by The Funnie Five
Bluffington
Member since Feb 2019
3404 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:45 pm
They need an impeachment proceeding to be able to get Mueller grand jury testimony legally. That's what this whistleblower thing truly is about
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:47 pm to
Background: LINK
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37134 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:47 pm to
That's a bit risky and far fetched.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112700 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

to be able to get Mueller grand jury testimony legally


Um...no. Not even then.

These people really need to pick up a fricking lawbook.
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71349 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:49 pm to
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get Mueller grand jury testimony



OH nOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:51 pm to
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Um...no. Not even then.

These people really need to pick up a fricking lawbook.




This dude is a lawyer:



Posted by The Funnie Five
Bluffington
Member since Feb 2019
3404 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:53 pm to
They need to release the transcripts now instead of waiting until tomorrow
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:54 pm to
Why does CTH think an impeachment proceeding would give them access to GJ testimony?

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:55 pm to
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They need to release the transcripts now instead of waiting until tomorrow



Seems like beating Nancy to the punch is kind of important.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8701 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:55 pm to
Trump will win this fight in court. Dem have yet to offer any evidence that Trump has committed any crime. High crimes and misdemeanors doesn't equate to we don't like your politics. It has never went to the SCOTUS, but I think it is a safe bet that they would rule the President cannot be impeached except for a crime.

Graham needs to get off his azz and investigate Biden and his son. There is definitely a money trail and Ukraine has evidence to hand over.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8701 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:55 pm to
Trump will win this fight in court. Dem have yet to offer any evidence that Trump has committed any crime. High crimes and misdemeanors doesn't equate to we don't like your politics. It has never went to the SCOTUS, but I think it is a safe bet that they would rule the President cannot be impeached except for a crime.

Graham needs to get off his azz and investigate Biden and his son. There is definitely a money trail and Ukraine has evidence to hand over.
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1800 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 3:15 pm to
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I think it is a safe bet that they would rule the President cannot be impeached except for a crime.


Impeachable Offenses
The Convention came to its choice of words describing the grounds for impeachment after much deliberation, but the phrasing derived directly from the English practice. On June 2, 1787, the framers adopted a provision that the executive should “be removable on impeachment & conviction of mal-practice or neglect of duty.”857 The Committee of Detail reported as grounds “Treason (or) Bribery or Corruption.”858 And the Committee of Eleven reduced the phrase to “Treason, or bribery.”859 On September 8, Mason objected to this limitation, observing that the term did not encompass all the conduct that should be grounds for removal; he therefore proposed to add “or maladministration” following “bribery.” Upon Madison’s objection that “[s]o vague a term will be equivalent to a tenure during pleasure of the Senate,” Mason suggested “other high crimes & misdemeanors,” which was adopted without further recorded debate.860

The phrase “high crimes and misdemeanors” in the context of impeachments has an ancient English history, first turning up in the impeachment of the Earl of Suffolk in 1388.861 Treason is defined in the Constitution.862 Bribery is not, but it had a clear common law meaning and is now well covered by statute.863 “High crimes and misdemeanors,” however, is an undefined and indefinite phrase, which, in England, had comprehended conduct not constituting indictable offenses.864 Use of the word “other” to link “high crimes and misdemeanors” with “treason” and “bribery” is arguably indicative of the types and seriousness of conduct encompassed by “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Similarly, the word “high” apparently carried with it a restrictive meaning.865

Debate prior to adoption of the phrase866 and comments thereafter in the ratifying conventions867 were to the effect that the President (all the debate was in terms of the President) should be removable by impeachment for commissions or omissions in office which were not criminally cognizable. And in the First Congress’s “removal” debate, Madison maintained that the wanton dismissal of meritorious officers would be an act of maladministration which would render the President subject to impeachment.868 Other comments, especially in the ratifying conventions, tend toward a limitation of the term to criminal, perhaps gross criminal, behavior.869 The scope of the power has been the subject of continuing debate.870

Idk, man, the founders seemed to think that skirting the law was almost as bad as breaking one.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 3:19 pm to
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Why does CTH think an impeachment proceeding would give them access to GJ testimony?



Someone responded to the same question in the CTH comments section:

quote:

They are using the Ukraine nonsense to open an impeachment inquiry. If that inquiry is voted on the house floor then all committees can go to the court and demand the grand jury testimony from the Muller report. They can only get grand jury testimony if it is a legitimate impeachment inquiry voted on by the house.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162913 posts
Posted on 9/24/19 at 3:30 pm to
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They need an impeachment proceeding to be able to get Mueller grand jury testimony legally.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of but I believe it. There is nothing in the honest Bob GJ stuff or else Trump would have been found guilty. Soon honest Bob's BS may be thrown out in a Flynn courtroom.

So this may be why they are desperate and acting like they are on fire. If honest Bob's crap was not muh Russians as a judge has already said; and they corrupted putting people in jail with holding evidence-- the dems got nothing.
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