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re: Conservative Friends, Why do you want more State employees armed?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:01 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:01 am to Aubie Spr96
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As a Libertarian
As a person who used to consider myself a staunch conservative, with many libertarian views, libertarians here shock me with how similar their views are to leftists. To wit:
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Do you want an untrained first grade teacher leaving her weapon on the floor of an elementary school bathroom?
Why do leftists take this issue to the ignorant extreme, rather than honestly examine sincere proposals to better protect the unprotected? Has anyone suggested that we arm all teachers, the young, the old, the irresponsible, the infirm, the ignorant, the weak, the fragile? Ever?
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Or, do you want a State trained and licensed person administering protection?
Exactly nothing precludes a teacher from being a state trained and licensed person, administering protection.
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Armed teachers can stop this before it gets bad better than the cops can. By the time the cops show up, it's too late.
I'd love to know what the response time was for this recent shooting.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:05 am to Aubie Spr96
I don’t. I also want there to be less state employees
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:08 am to Aubie Spr96
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. Do you want an untrained first grade teacher leaving her weapon on the floor of an elementary school bathroom? Or, do you want a State trained and licensed person administering protection?
These two false craptastic choices are why your arse has a fence post up it.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:09 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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By the time the cops show up, it's too late.
This. All Day.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:13 am to Aubie Spr96
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Do you want an untrained first grade teacher leaving her weapon on the floor of an elementary school bathroom? Or, do you want a State trained and licensed person administering protection?
Well, I think the idea would be to have "specific teachers" who would meet a criteria that equals if not exceeds the bar set for police officers put in place.
I'm telling you my High School language arts teacher Mr Abrams was a Vietnam Marine and extremely capable of dispatching a millennial veit-cong bushwhacker. He prolly' dreamed about it in hindsight....
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:13 am to UPT
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Have you ever met an elementary or middle school teacher? If it weren’t for elementary and middle schools, they’d be completely useless. A bunch of women whose day job is long division and coloring books are going to put down a mentally deranged person hellbent on killing everyone. I bet ten out of ten end up under their desks sobbing and pissing themselves. I guess you could arm the waterheaded PE coach, but he’s probably more useless than the art teacher.
Yet you send you kids to school there anyway.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:24 am to NC_Tigah
My teacher friends go to active shooter training anyway. I’ll ask them but I would bet they would feel a hell of a lot safer if the training was more than hide in a closet.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:25 am to Aubie Spr96
The school I work at already had an armed officer at school every day. Put an armed officer in every HS. That is a local level agent. Everyone wins.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:29 am to Aubie Spr96
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Do you want an untrained first grade teacher leaving her weapon on the floor of an elementary school bathroom? Or, do you want a State trained and licensed person administering protection?
Why can't the teacher be trained?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:32 am to Bard
I'm a teacher and arming teachers isn't practicle. Teachers are alone with kids too much. What if a group of kids decides to jump the teacher? You need someone whose job it is to walk around and help with disturbances (all types) and be armed in case of the situation.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:35 am to Champagne
quote:We used to have dirt clod wars at recess. We could've kicked 5th grade's arse with just one rifle.
I propose that we issue one AR15 and 100 rounds of ammo to every student who enters the school. That way when some maniac goes Postal, she is surrounded by armed students who refuse to be victims.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:46 am to UPT
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Yes, like the idea that we’re going to turn elementary, and middle school teachers into marksmen in crisis situations.
Have you ever met an elementary or middle school teacher? If it weren’t for elementary and middle schools, they’d be completely useless. A bunch of women whose day job is long division and coloring books are going to put down a mentally deranged person hellbent on killing everyone. I bet ten out of ten end up under their desks sobbing and pissing themselves. I guess you could arm the waterheaded PE coach, but he’s probably more useless than the art teacher.
Law enforcement knew about this kid and most of the others. It’s on them. No fricking teacher was going to end this with a pistol.
Got damn you have doubled down on stupid.
I'm sorry if you were homeschooled so all your teachers were idiots, but I had tons of capable teachers in my tenure. Only need a couple of them to conceal carry.
And if your example were true, that if we armed them and they did nothing happened, then why not arm them?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:47 am to idlewatcher
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I'd love to know what the response time was for this recent shooting.
Whatever it was, it wasn’t fast enough as the coward left the school.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:50 am to HottyToddy7
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I'm a teacher and arming teachers isn't practicle. Teachers are alone with kids too much. What if a group of kids decides to jump the teacher?
why all of a sudden would kids decide to jump their teachers? Because they now have a gun? That makes a ton of sense.
The kids that want to shoot up schools aren't going to rely on stealing the gun from the teacher who is trained to use it. I can think of 4 teachers at the school I went to who would DARE you to jump them.
People speak from their own self too much in this situation. Again, just because YOU are a pussy who can't handle himself or a gun, does not mean we all are.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:51 am to HottyToddy7
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I'm a teacher and arming teachers isn't practicle.
I disagree. A teacher willing to buy a firearm, take classes, get certified and keep up with their training and certs is every bit as effective as having someone roaming the halls. If they go to this extent they should also get a stipend for doing so.
If the worry is kids possibly getting access to the weapon then the school puts a gun safe in that teacher's room and it's keyed to that teacher.
And finally...
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I'm a teacher and arming teachers isn't practicle.
It's "practical".
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:53 am to HottyToddy7
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I'm a teacher and arming teachers isn't practicle.
Maybe you're right, since we apparently can't even teach some of them to spell.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:12 am to troyt37
Kind of makes my point doesn't it? If we can't even spell practical right, you want them armed around kids?
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This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:27 am to HottyToddy7
I know this; my wife is a 4th grade teacher, daughter of a career Army man, JROTC, ROTC, former military herself, and a better shot with her pistol than I am with mine.
When mass murders like this happens, she has nightmares about trying to protect her kids, as they sit and wait to find out if they will be slaughtered. Not affording someone like her the ability to defend herself and the kids she teaches and loves is unconstitutional, and should be against the law.
When mass murders like this happens, she has nightmares about trying to protect her kids, as they sit and wait to find out if they will be slaughtered. Not affording someone like her the ability to defend herself and the kids she teaches and loves is unconstitutional, and should be against the law.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 11:30 am to AU_251
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I love the extreme examples, like the one in the OP.
"You want a retarded, blind, untrained kindergarten teacher carrying an AR so she can just let a 6 year old take it and mow down the whole class? No thanks I'd rather a Navy Seal in every classroom because they are the only ones who are capable of handling such a complex item as a gun"
This is exactly how you sound and you wonder why no one takes you seriously. GFY
I'm sorry that you and your pussy leftist friends are afraid of guns, but most of us grown folks aren't so we'll handle it for you, sweetheart
Spot on.
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