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Complete internet censorship congress hearing. Goodlatte slams FB for not atteneding
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:12 pm
this should make everybody worried.
Here is the complete testimony
LINK
Here is the complete testimony
LINK
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 1:12 pm
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:13 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:20 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Goodlatte stated that Mr Zuckerburg has let his real intentions be known by not showing up!
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The 2 opening statements by the witnesses are EXTREMELY telling.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:59 pm to Jjdoc
Wanted to rename this... this wasn't about diamond and silk
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:11 pm to Jjdoc
I'm going to keep this bumped. THIS ISN'T ABOUT DIAMOND AND SILK....
You should be very aware of where this is going.
You need to hear what they are saying about google and their power and then hear them turn around and support it.
You should be very aware of where this is going.
You need to hear what they are saying about google and their power and then hear them turn around and support it.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:17 pm to Jjdoc
Those smug pricks at the end 
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:30 pm to idlewatcher
yep!
Lose this fight and the next election will be hard to win.
Lose this fight and the next election will be hard to win.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:31 pm to Jjdoc
Should companies be able to serve whomever they wish?
Further, how can a person while consenting to a companies terms and conditions claim they have rights that are being violated?
Eta: lots of small govt capitalists downvoting today I guess.
Further, how can a person while consenting to a companies terms and conditions claim they have rights that are being violated?
Eta: lots of small govt capitalists downvoting today I guess.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Should companies be able to serve whomever they wish?
Nope, yall opened the can of worms on this one... All of a sudden you want to let companies pick and choose?
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while consenting to a companies terms and conditions claim they have rights that are being violated
It happens all the time and is often true that their rights have been violated.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:39 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Further, how can a person while consenting to a companies terms and conditions claim they have rights that are being violated?
I seem to remember he same people pushing for freedom to contract now being up in arms about arbitration clauses. Strange.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:43 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Further, how can a person while consenting to a companies terms and conditions claim they have rights that are being violated?
Well a couple of ways.
A) If you agree to something that is illegal, it's uneforcable
B) If the TOS are written in such a way that only a lawyer who wrote the damn thing could possibly interpret it, a court could easily rule that a reasonable person didn't realize what they were agreeing to.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:51 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Further, how can a person while consenting to a companies terms and conditions claim they have rights that are being violated?
Honest (hypothetical) question for everyone.
I have a business/product. In order to use/buy this product, I make you sign an agreement that says you have no Constitutional rights. You sign the agreement, I violate your Constitutional rights. Am I still subject to be prosecuted/sued?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:52 pm to NYNolaguy1
The issue is they, including Google are monopolies.
All one has to do is listen to the people on the panel.... and some of them are FOR them.
All one has to do is listen to the people on the panel.... and some of them are FOR them.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:54 pm to troyt37
Depends. Which right? Which state? Etc. lots of states have laws that don't allow you to sign away rights. Like indemnifying someone for their potential negligence. Often that isn't enforceable.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:55 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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If you agree to something that is illegal, it's uneforcable
Thats true. To date I know of no company being liable for violating someones first amendment rights.
Mostly because because only govt is restricted from censoring speech.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:57 pm to BBONDS25
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I seem to remember he same people pushing for freedom to contract now being up in arms about arbitration clauses. Strange.
I dont recall being among said people?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Thats true. To date I know of no company being liable for violating someones first amendment rights.
Mostly because because only govt is restricted from censoring speech.
Correct, Freedom of speech doesnt't mean Chicken has to let you post your drivel on TigerDroppings. It means the government can't prevent you from posting your drivel on TigerDroppings. (Not you specifically)
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:01 pm to The Maj
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Nope, yall opened the can of worms on this one... All of a sudden you want to let companies pick and choose?
Pethaps you mistaken me for someone else. Just yesterday I was quoted (twice) as saying I support the right of every business to provide services to whomever they choose.
I am surprised you disagree...
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It happens all the time and is often true that their rights have been violated.
Companies can censor whomever they wish. For example, try snd post something supporting Trump over on DU. When they ban you, lets see how far a lawsuit will go that claims your free speech rights were violated.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:01 pm to BBONDS25
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Depends. Which right? Which state?
Well that's probably too specific for my hypothetical. What I'm trying to get at is, does getting someone to sign away their Constitutional rights, because they want to use/buy your product, make it ok to violate Constitutional rights? I would think that doing so would be against the law, regardless of whether a person signed that right away or not.
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