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re: Colorado vaccination site shuts down after 11 'adverse reactions' to Johnson & Johnson jab

Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:06 am to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:06 am to
Why are you so trustful of big pharma?

Can you show me any long term studies on these vaccines? I’m not aware of any.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:08 am to
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Why are you so trustful of big pharma?


Why are you so trusting of a bloated fed gov signing off on something?

Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:10 am to
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Can I get some Powerball numbers while you're at it?
My point is that some people who are saying "I got the vaccine and no problems" may find out they are terribly wrong. Actual testing and data on previously attempted mRNA vaccines CONFIRM unacceptable risk of contracting auto-immune disease. You really don't want that.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:14 am to
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My point is that some people who are saying "I got the vaccine and no problems" may find out they are terribly wrong.


No, you said they will get side effects worse than COVID. You made a statement of fact.
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Actual testing and data on previously attempted mRNA vaccines CONFIRM unacceptable risk of contracting auto-immune disease. You really don't want that.



Gonna need your links to this supposed actual testing that confirms unacceptable risks.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:18 am to
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you said they will get side effects worse than COVID. You made a statement of fact
yes it is possible. We're already seeing some signs of that. Who knows what the long term effects will be.

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Gonna need your links to this supposed actual testing that confirms unacceptable risks
so you don't know that mrna has been around for years?
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:21 am to
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Look at the actual numbers and then tell me why they would even suspect a link
The number I saw was about 1 in 150,000 which is exceedingly rare, I agree, but still above the natural case rate for CVST. Norway's incidence rate was 1 in 24,000.

From WSJ

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That is where the balance of risks behind these decisions is most pertinent. A University of Cambridge analysis shows that if Covid-19 infection is accelerating, with new cases being detected at a rate of 200 per 100,000 people a day, for instance, then you might expect seven out of every 100,000 20-to-29-year-olds infected to need intensive care over a four-month period. If daily incidence is lower, at 0.2 cases for every 100,000 people, roughly where the U.K. was in March, then you might expect 0.8 intensive care admissions. The same analysis put the risk of a severe blood clot as a consequence of vaccination in people of the same age group at 1.1 per 100,000 doses administered.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:22 am to
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yes it is possible.


You didn't say possible. You stated as fact.
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so you don't know that mrna has been around for years?


Sweet non-answer.

Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:35 am to
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No, you said they will get side effects worse than COVID. You made a statement of fact.
Here is a "statement of fact": VAERS received 2,794 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:37 am to
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Here is a "statement of fact": VAERS received 2,794 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.




And we trust medical reporting now?

And I guess you're just gonna keep jumping all over the place hoping to finally make a point? Some of yall are beyond help.
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5430 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:37 am to
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Gonna need your links to this supposed actual testing that confirms unacceptable risks.

Online Medical Research

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mRNA- [15] and DNA-based vaccine technologies [9, 16] are being implemented in humans, especially as vaccine candidates. Several concerns about mRNA vaccine safety have been identified besides its promising potential advantages. The most important risks include the possibility that mRNA vaccines may generate strong type I interferon responses that could lead to inflammation and autoimmune conditions [17].
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:40 am to
Can you post where the say what you claim they said?
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:45 am to
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You didn't say possible. You stated as fact
that wasn't me but the person was correct. There have been some people who either died or had horrific reactions way worse than typical c19 symptoms. That is a fact

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Sweet non-answer
You're the one who didn't know. Why have they been around for years but not approved?
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5430 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:46 am to
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And we trust medical reporting now?
Not at all. But you originally asked why someone wouldn't take an mRNA vaccine. I know for a fact that the "100,000's of deaths" attributed to Covid are BS. They are counting gunshot, car fatalities, people who actually died of terminal cancer, end stage renal disease, already on hospice for whatever already terminal sickness as covid deaths. A little simple math shows less people actually died of covid than they did of seasonal flu in 2019.

But you want me to take an un-properly tested medical treatment into my body for it based on "medical reporting."
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 10:48 am
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:46 am to
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VAERS received 2,794 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine
and that's just the deaths. That's not any other severe reactions or unknown long term effects
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:47 am to
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And we trust medical reporting now?
do we have a reason to distrust those numbers reported by medical professionals from across the country?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:50 am to
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that wasn't me but the person was correct. There have been some people who either died or had horrific reactions way worse than typical c19 symptoms. That is a fact


That person was not correct. they said 100% that someone will get autoimmune disease that is worse than COVID. That ignores that COVID can kill you, much in the way that you are selectively only talking about mild cases of COVID to make your point.

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You're the one who didn't know. Why have they been around for years but not approved?



What didn't I know? He straight up didn't answer the question I asked him.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19220 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:54 am to
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Can you show me any long term studies on these vaccines? I’m not aware of any.


No I can't because the vaccine has only been approved for like 4 months. The trial participants got vaccinated like 9 months ago or so. So far, no long term effects in the trial participants.

And there probably won't be, either. Why? Because no vaccine has ever showed long term negative effects past a few months. This is why the FDA wanted the trials to follow the patients for 2 months before they would consider approving it. The trials showed no side-effects at all past a few days.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42005 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 11:10 am to
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Why are you so trustful of big pharma?

Why are you so trusting of a bloated fed gov signing off on something?


Nice deflection. In short, I don’t trust the government either (and nowhere did I say that I did).
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 11:11 am
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 11:11 am to
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they said 100% that someone will get autoimmune disease that is worse than COVID.
that is not exactly what was said. Your are misquoting. Here is the statement

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Most will not have adverse effects, but there will be a fair amount of people after a few years who will have auto immune diseases which is way worse than covid
explain what is controversial about that statement

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What didn't I know?
apparently that mrna treatment not being new yet not approved.

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He straight up didn't answer the question I asked him
yes he did. Twice. His first response had an implied answer/question to you that you still haven't answered. Then he provided a link that explicitly answered your question. Slow down and think this through.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 11:12 am to
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the vaccine has only been approved for like 4 months
not this one specifically. Mrna in general
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