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re: Colombian president says the US bombed a Venezuelan drug facility
Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:56 pm to Narax
Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:56 pm to Narax
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No this was my question, how much do ODs need to drop before you abandon your belief that this has no impact.
When did the downtrend in fentanyl OD deaths begin? When was the high water mark for fentanyl seizures, at the border and across the country, and when did the purity of both powder fentanyl and fentanyl pills begin to trend downward?
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its a dumb question
In life checking ones beleifs against what's happening is important.
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Probably a lot. Because its already dropped dramatically.
So there is a point where you would say it had an impact.
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There was a thread yesterday that already disproved the idea that Trumps cocaine boat strikes are having an effect on Fentanyl.
Disproved...
For a complex illegal market like drugs, you shouldn't think anything is proven or disproven by the amount of information you have available today.
You want it to be true, but you shouldn't continue confirmation bias.
Time will tell, but all we have right now is very early data.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:27 pm to Narax
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So there is a point where you would say it had an impact.
Not Fentanyl.
Because we both know this isnt what we are attempting to stop out of Venezuela.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:28 pm to Narax
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You want it to be true, but you shouldn't continue confirmation bias.
I know its true. Trumps attacks have had no effect on Fentanyl to the USA.
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Drug boat strikes are tied to Venezuela. That’s not where the fentanyl comes from
LINK
This post was edited on 12/31/25 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I know its true. Trumps attacks have had no effect on Fentanyl to the USA.
The world is more complex than you are willing to admit.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:52 pm to Narax
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The world is more complex than you are willing to admit.
Your chart ends years prior to Trump taking office, slick.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:52 pm to hawgfaninc
I wish these foreigners would just make their point clearly.
They’re complaining? About the thing, they say they arent doing, being blowed up?
They’re complaining? About the thing, they say they arent doing, being blowed up?
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:57 pm to FLTech
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What the frick? I thought Trump said he was against wars!!! Time to impeach!!
What war you speaking of?
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your chart ends years prior to Trump taking office, slick.
What it tells you is that for every Fentanyl OD, there is almost one that is a mix of Fent and a Stim like Coke or Meth.
No one has addressed the Pacific boat strikes either.
It's a complex world.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:59 pm to Smeg
We need see more of this.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:59 pm to Narax
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What it tells you is that for every Fentanyl OD, there is almost one that is a mix of Fent and a Stim like Coke or Meth.
Local dealers. Not coming from Venezuela.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Local dealers. Not coming from Venezuela.
The coke that gets mixed comes from?
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:05 pm to Narax
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The coke that gets mixed comes from?
Overwhelmingly cross contamination and/or mixed by local dealers, not traffickers.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Overwhelmingly cross contamination and/or mixed by local dealers, not traffickers.
The coke those dealers mix comes from?
You are almost there!
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:11 pm to Narax
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The coke those dealers mix comes from?
Columbia.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your chart ends years prior to Trump taking office, slick.
He must have taken the same graph and chart reading class as Stout.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:14 pm to LegendInMyMind
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He must have taken the same graph and chart reading class as Stout.
Yeah, I dont see how its so difficult to just look at the info and see what it actually shows.
But here we are, day two of arguing the same stuff.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Columbia.
Yes!
Which is next to the Pacific Ocean and shipping in small boats to Mexico for Land Transit into the US. Of course then getting blown up by US Strikes.
Now I am 100% not on board with a US war with Venezuela.
But the restriction of coke flowing into the US can definitely lead to a reduction in US Fent ODs.
In addition it's reducing profitability of the Mexican cartels who are trans-shipping the coke.
Like any business they will have a hard time not downsizing.
Fent is so highly concentrated that it's a smugglers dream.
But it also doesn't have nearly as much appeal as Coke, which is why it's used to cut coke, it still gets people messed up, but uses less coke in the sale.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:30 pm to Narax
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Which is next to the Pacific Ocean and shipping in small boats to Mexico for Land Transit into the US. Of course then getting blown up by US Strikes.
The small boats we attack dont have the range to make it to the USA, their coke is going to Caribbean ports.
The coke comes from Columbia, the Fentanyl from Mexico.
Trump is pardoning Drug dealers. This tiff with Venezuela has zero to do with drugs, we've been lied to again.
This post was edited on 12/31/25 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 12/31/25 at 3:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The small boats we attack dont have the range to make it to the USA, their coke is going to Caribbean ports.
Our last Caribbean strike was Nov 15th
Since then we smoke 13 boats in the Pacific that were hopping the Darien Gap to get on land in Central America/Mexico.
We smoked 11 boats overall in the Caribbean, 19 in The Pacific.
Coming from Colombia.
BTW I have no idea who's down voting you, I think we are having a great discussion.
This post was edited on 12/31/25 at 3:51 pm
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