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re: Climate Change...kids are thinking they have no future and filled with hopelessness.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:54 am to Janky
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:54 am to Janky
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You mean those that get grants that must show a certain outcome of the funding dries up? Those guys?
"In its Fifth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 95 percent probability that human activities over the past 50 years have warmed our planet." LINK
Again, do you really buy that it is more likely that scientists are perpetuating this fraud, even though they must demonstrate their results through peer-reviewed processes and could just as easily find other fields to study, than the oil companies have TRILLIONS of dollars on the line and virtually unlimited resources to push back on the science? We have actually seen this movie before: Big Tobacco.
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Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:56 am to Kikicaca
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What the left and democrats are doing to children scaring them
Is morally repugnant
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:57 am to lalouisiane
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Again, do you really buy that it is more likely that scientists are perpetuating this fraud
The fraud isn't climate change imo, it's the doomsday outcomes that terrify kids and retarded adults, and the calls for a new economy because of climate change.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:00 am to BeefDawg
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:08 am to bmy
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Good thing we took steps to avoid many of them our air and water quality have improved dramatically over the last 50 years
most of the aerosols and particulates we’ve removed from the air contributed to cooling not heating. 
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:11 am to lalouisiane
quote:Where do you think the billions we would have paid in the Paris Climate Accord would have gone?
You say this with absolutely no support. It also defies logic. Obviously there is more money in the oil industry. "According to market research by IBISWorld, a leading business intelligence firm, the total revenues for the oil and gas drilling sector came to $2 trillion in 2017." LINK. That's just drilling and from a quick google search. The clean energy sector has a financial interest, but wouldn't it be easier to just keep investing in big oil instead of coming up with some conspiracy to create a new industry?
We emit a fraction of GHG's that China and India (among others) do, but they were given 10 year exemptions from paying anything or having to cut emissions, while we were going to have to pay immediately and way more than anyone else and cut even more after already being the leading reducer of GHG emissions across the world for over a decade.
How is this not a red flag for you?
How do you not see that shite like The Green New Deal is a regulation and tax generating machine designed to destroy certain businesses and put other businesses under virtual control of the federal government, while simultaneously shifting wealth to whom the politicians want to receive it?
Do you seriously trust our politicians and what they do with our tax dollars?
Yes? Then you're a naive moron.
No? Then why are you supporting policy that gives them more of it, and gives them more control over us and the businesses we purvey every day?
Because 400 ppm of CO2? That's asinine and foolish.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The fraud isn't climate change imo, it's the doomsday outcomes that terrify kids and retarded adults, and the calls for a new economy because of climate change.
Well I guess we should just hope you are right then instead of relying on what scientists say.
Are you familiar with the concept of insurance?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:26 am to lalouisiane
quote:Dude, the IPCC has been caught multiple times fudging data. They openly admitted it in emails.
"In its Fifth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 95 percent probability that human activities over the past 50 years have warmed our planet." LINK
LINK
How do you not know this?
How can you go around telling us this shite is "conclusive" because "scientists", but not know there are droves of IPCC scientists who had their emails stolen and published that shows them admitting to lying?
You clearly are ignorant and don't do any actual homework on this topic. You clearly just follow the narrative from the Left.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:28 am to Kikicaca
The fear mongering is causing people to murder children. It's incredible how much the left and GW advocates disregard life.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:44 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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The fear mongering
Thisis the part I have major problems with
We are all gonna die
We gave to have a new non capitalist economy
frick these people
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
Yes, indeed.
I also can add
*Tax everything
*Ban everything
I also can add
*Tax everything
*Ban everything
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:52 am to lalouisiane
quote:Right, let’s believe the scientists who lied and are claiming the thousands of stolen emails are all fakes.
LINK
That’s like a crook sitting in court saying, “I didn’t do it!” and telling us we’re supposed to take his word for it.
GTFO
And I noticed you skipped over the rest of what I said.
Obviously, you want to play dumb about the consequences of things like Climate Accords and Green New Deals and act like there is no money or power gain involved on the Left’s side of this topic.
How convenient of you.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:59 am to mindbreaker
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Investing in renewable energy is a good idea
While renewables are a good idea, the left want to control all of the money.
It's about control.
Remember Solyndra, the Silicon Valley startup that collapsed, leaving taxpayers liable for $535 million in federal guarantees?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:55 am to BeefDawg
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Right, let’s believe the scientists who lied and are claiming the thousands of stolen emails are all fakes.
That’s like a crook sitting in court saying, “I didn’t do it!” and telling us we’re supposed to take his word for it.
GTFO
And I noticed you skipped over the rest of what I said.
Obviously, you want to play dumb about the consequences of things like Climate Accords and Green New Deals and act like there is no money or power gain involved on the Left’s side of this topic.
How convenient of you.
Honestly, I don't have enough time to deal with anyone who doesn't take it upon themselves to read viewpoints that are contrary to their own.
The Paris Climate Accord has absolutely nothing to do with whether climate change is caused by people, which is the topic.
Also, take your own advice. This is the bio of the author of the opinion piece you cited: LINK
We should believe him? You should read the substance of the rebuttal rather than use ad hominem attacks. LINK
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:10 am to lalouisiane
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"In its Fifth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 95 percent probability that human activities over the past 50 years have warmed our planet.
The UN?
United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:
"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.
So what is the goal of environmental policy?
"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer.
Science!!
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 11:14 am
Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:19 am to lalouisiane
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Honestly, I don't have enough time to deal with anyone who doesn't take it upon themselves to read viewpoints that are contrary to their own.
Typical. There is no reason this should not be go or no go issue. The reason there is doubt is because there is manipulation with the narrative/data and massive amounts money involved.
NASA and anybody else that owns the data will not provide the raw data. If "the scientists" cared more for the cause than protecting their nartative$$$, they would make data open source.
Other side, as long as politicians can make 300+ million and not provide anything of substance, you will have a hard time convincing people they are being truthful. 50+ trillion for the new green deal, you are fooling yourself if you don't think the puppet masters wont get get at least 20% of that.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:51 am to mindbreaker
Which Republican is against any of those that you listed.
I've recycled for decades. Love trees. Would have solar panels if it was cost effective.
We object a government who accepts kickbacks from so called renewable energy companies as a front to hide the theft.
Solyndra misled the feds out of over $500 million. Obama buys home for forty-five million.
I've recycled for decades. Love trees. Would have solar panels if it was cost effective.
We object a government who accepts kickbacks from so called renewable energy companies as a front to hide the theft.
Solyndra misled the feds out of over $500 million. Obama buys home for forty-five million.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:17 pm to lalouisiane
quote:All you did was side-step around what I've said.
Honestly, I don't have enough time to deal with anyone who doesn't take it upon themselves to read viewpoints that are contrary to their own.
The Paris Climate Accord has absolutely nothing to do with whether climate change is caused by people, which is the topic.
Also, take your own advice. This is the bio of the author of the opinion piece you cited: LINK
We should believe him? You should read the substance of the rebuttal rather than use ad hominem attacks. LINK
And I don't care who the freaking author of the 2011 piece was that I cited because his opinion wasn't what I was pointing at and you know it.
It's the thousands of emails written by IPCC affiliated scientists that showed they were fudging their data to get certain results, along with their absurd bias on full display.
The "substance of the rebuttal" is nothing but a bunch of Leftist organizations who did bullshite investigations that essentially amounted to, "Yeah, bunch of stolen emails, but they don't prove anything."
And the Paris Climate Accord and Green New Deal are examples of how there absolutely is money and power behind the Leftist agenda, which is a direct refutation to you saying only Oil and Gas companies have a financial motivation in this game.
You are full of shite and you know it. The Left wants to fundamentally change our economy and political structure, redistribute wealth to whom they choose, and take exponentially more and more control over businesses and our way of life. And they want to do it with vehicles like Climate Accords and Green New Deals.
TRILLIONS of fricking dollars are involved in this topic, and your idiot arse wants us to believe the Left has no ulterior motive? LOL, seriously go frick yourself. You're a dishonest buffoon.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:18 pm to wt9
I am somewhat conflicted on climate change issue.There are so many studies done that support both sides of the argument.I don’t see any negatives to development of solar and nuclear energy,I personally am against wind and hydroelectric due to the environmental impact..I would like to see cattle ranching scaled back.The environmental costs of raising cattle are too high( I am not talking about cow farts),it takes too much land and too much fossil fuel under our present factory farming model.I believe the climate has always changed due to narural cycles but at the same time it hard for me to believe that humans are not affecting the environment to some degree.
All that being said ,I can’t imagine going back to a preindustrial world with no fossil fuel,no or limited air conditioning,no automobiles or airplanes,ships sailing the oceans under wind power.Our current way of life would be impossible without fossil fuels and alternative energy is long way from being able to supply all our energy needs.Nuclear power could go a long way but there is so much ignorance and hysteria around nuclear.
I don’t understand the libtards,they all seem to love France but they ignore the success the French have had with nuclear energy
All that being said ,I can’t imagine going back to a preindustrial world with no fossil fuel,no or limited air conditioning,no automobiles or airplanes,ships sailing the oceans under wind power.Our current way of life would be impossible without fossil fuels and alternative energy is long way from being able to supply all our energy needs.Nuclear power could go a long way but there is so much ignorance and hysteria around nuclear.
I don’t understand the libtards,they all seem to love France but they ignore the success the French have had with nuclear energy
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