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re: Can a single leftist explain how multiculturalism is supposed to work?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:09 pm to tigerpawl
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:09 pm to tigerpawl
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I see you didn't read the article - and how the cultures of Africa from which they come are still ingrained into the black culture of today. Still, after 200+ years, they haven't washed it out of their cognitive skills and how they process their environment. You, my friend, are averse to reality.
I actually read the entire thing because I was fascinated by the leap to conclusions based on cherry picked references. Could we do a similar write-up on other ethnicities and races? Isn’t that what anti-White progressives do? Make an arbitrary list of atrocities committed by white people and attribute them to the nature of what it means to be white?
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:34 pm to burger bearcat
Ask the founding fathers maybe?
Y’all some Nazi motherfrickers.
Y’all some Nazi motherfrickers.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:49 pm to Azkiger
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Do you have any data that shows, for example, what the population percentage of Rome was at the height of its prosperity?
I hope you're not counting 90% vs 10% of a variety of others as "multi-cultural" or "multi-ethnic".
Rome didn't murder everyone when it conquered them. They owned the entire Mediterranean and huge of part of Europe and all of modern Turkey, and pieces of Armenia and Iraq.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:53 pm to Azkiger
The Empire was probably homogenous on a local level, and over time the provinces were culturally Romanized.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:07 pm to burger bearcat
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multiculturalism
Now people get accused of cultural appropriation so I guess this can’t be a thing anymore?
Y’all act like I’m left of AOC so I feel like I can chime in. Respectful coexistence is the target for me.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:17 pm to tango029
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Rome didn't murder everyone when it conquered them. They owned the entire Mediterranean and huge of part of Europe and all of modern Turkey, and pieces of Armenia and Iraq.
I wasn't speaking of the ethnicity of the entire Roman empire, I was speaking of the ethnicity of Rome itself.
If anything, the lesson we can learn from the Roman Empire is that cultures don't mix and if you want a giant empire leave the locals alone.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:46 pm to Azkiger
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If anything, the lesson we can learn from the Roman Empire is that cultures don't mix and if you want a giant empire leave the locals alone.
You think Rome fell because of that? Lol.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:49 pm to VOR
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n fact, it’s perfectly possible for peoples from different culture to co-exist in a country. In fact, that’s been the case in the U. S.since the 18th Century.
Yes. That doesn't make us better though. In fact, in most cases it leads to deterioration of the primary society.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:00 pm to tango029
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You think Rome fell because of that? Lol.
Let's see how retarded you are...
Quote what I said that made you think I believe that.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:07 pm to burger bearcat
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I have never understood this concept. Is there a single example in recorded human civilization of a nation having multiple cultures, and not one dominant culture? (This is not to confuse with countries having smaller subcultures)
Singapore would disprove you immediately.
No religious group has a majority in Singapore - 31% are Buddhist, 18.9% are Christian, 15.6% are Muslim etc. And different religious groups have different cultures in Singapore.
Singapore's culture is a multicultural mix of South Asian, Malay, East Asian and European influences.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:16 pm to Azkiger
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Do you have anything beyond small linguistic differences between regions of a nation during a time when human mobility was extremely limited to show how France was "VERY multi-ethnic and multi-cultural"?
This is satire, right? France was famous for being 'multicultural' in the 19th century and before. France was a highly multicultural society in the 19th century. The French government tried to stamp out local cultures in favor of a national one in the 19th century - if France wasn't multicultural in the 19th century, the French government wouldn't have repeatedly attempted to wipe out the different cultures.
It was an explicit policy aim of French governments to nationalize French culture because it had been so multicultural.
Language is one of the biggest parts of culture. It's a shared media ecosystem, a shared means of communication. Someone who doesn't speak your language won't watch the same movies, the same plays, read the same literature etc.
They weren't small linguistic differences at all. In the 19th century, you could go from a part of France to another and not speak the same language. Different parts of France had completely different cultures in the 19th century (they weren't just sub-cultures but different cultures developed because of large differences in language).
The culture of Brittany was completely different to the culture of Paris because they spoke Breton and the other spoke French.
And human mobility wasn't as limited as you seem to be describing. It was incredibly common for people to visit different parts of France and not be able to understand the people. They had different cultures entirely.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:48 pm to CAPEX
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They weren't small linguistic differences at all. In the 19th century, you could go from a part of France to another and not speak the same language. Different parts of France had completely different cultures in the 19th century (they weren't just sub-cultures but different cultures developed because of large differences in language).
Can you give any examples? No minor differences like pronouncing words differently, having different dietary preferences, fashion styles, etc.
I'm talking about the things that posters are grilling multiculturalism on, like major differences in values and ethics.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:17 pm to CAPEX
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Singapore would disprove you immediately.
No religious group has a majority in Singapore - 31% are Buddhist, 18.9% are Christian, 15.6% are Muslim etc.
If these religious groups share a lot in common, then the difference is in name only.
Seems they banded together against same sex marriage.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:22 pm to Azkiger
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I'm talking about the things that posters are grilling multiculturalism on, like major differences in values and ethics.
There were big, big differences in values between regions.
Parents would refuse to send their kids to school in certain areas because they were afraid their kids would learn French and move to Paris - that's how big of a cultural difference there was between the areas of France. And they didn't want their kids to become Parisian because they were culturally different.
Certain areas of France were highly literate and valued education while other areas were completely illiterate. They had completely different values on the importance of education between region, sending women to school (some regions thought that women should behave as their mothers do and not go to school) etc.
The economy of France was also distinct by region which drove cultural differences as well.
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It goes without saying that different areas of France would have different attitudes towards women, certain areas of France were much more religious than others etc.
The point I'm making is that it wasn't just 'pronouncing' different words differently.
Language is both an indicator of how culturally different areas of France were AND a cause of the cultural difference.
It was very common for French doctors to need translators just to communicate with their patients. That IS a big difference because people who spoke regional languages did not see other regions as sharing the same culture and values as them.
People wanted women to learn their local cultures and not the cultures of other regions in France.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:27 pm to Azkiger
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If these religious groups share a lot in common, then the difference is in name only.
Uh.. what?
One example of a value where they agree doesn't mean they share the same culture or values in general.
One religion believes in multiple gods, another believes in no god, and the other believes in a single god.
One religion values vegetarianism highly while another practices a form of animal slaughter than some people would call barbaric.
There are big differences between religious groups in Singapore just as there are worldwide across religious groups.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:33 pm to burger bearcat
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Is there a single example in recorded human civilization of a nation having multiple cultures, and not one dominant culture? (This is not to confuse with countries having smaller subcultures)
Pretty much every imperial system, especially before technology made more it possible to heavily centralize things.
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What is the explanation for why native citizens would want "multiculturalism" and what are the benefits it provides?
Because the insanely heavy focus on it invites conflict over what amounts to nonsense.
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From my perspective, there will always be one dominant culture that wins out and will seek to dominate that culture.
You are also a massive retard, so there's that.
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he current zeitgeist in America seems to be pushing a very gay, neo-liberal, marxist global culture that despises the traditional American Christian heritage.
That's certainly a word salad. Get off the internet.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:35 pm to Zach
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a lot of Sikhs moved to Canada where they make their enrichment plans in peace.
Not for long. Trudope is a trailblazer for tyranny.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:39 pm to Azkiger
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If these religious groups share a lot in common, then the difference is in name only.
Seems they banded together against same sex marriage.
Oh my fricking god.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:45 pm to CAPEX
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One religion believes in multiple gods, another believes in no god, and the other believes in a single god.
If they all value freedom of speech, where's the conflict?
If they most align on gay marriage, run rights, welfare, the role of the state, what does any of that matter?
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One religion values vegetarianism highly while another practices a form of animal slaughter than some people would call barbaric.
Do Muslims in Singapore practice Halal meat? We have Christian Churches here in the states that ordain homosexual marriages...
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There are big differences between religious groups in Singapore just as there are worldwide across religious groups.
I guess I'll have to take your word for it?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:47 pm to CAPEX
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Parents would refuse to send their kids to school in certain areas because they were afraid their kids would learn French and move to Paris
A commonplace in highly agrarian societies. Sons and daughters become ranchhands and eventually take over the homestead.
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Certain areas of France were highly literate and valued education while other areas were completely illiterate.
I stopped here. Multicultural = varying education levels. Holy shite.
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