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re: But tariffs don’t work….
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:38 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:38 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Listen man, if you stop the data in 2019, you'll see that he was on his way to being right 5 years ago.
The free market economy failed if you only look at Covid years.
Time to start taking over the means of production, comrade....
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:39 pm to Azkiger
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if you only look at Covid years
It's a good thing I didn't do that then.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Nope. I was right period. It's not the fault of anybody but Biden and his policies.
We would have been worse off had Trump not used tariffs to bring in manufacturing to the USA due to Covid results. Just like other items that cost more.
This is the same result as Reagan had with autos.
We would have been worse off had Trump not used tariffs to bring in manufacturing to the USA due to Covid results. Just like other items that cost more.
This is the same result as Reagan had with autos.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's a good thing I didn't do that then.
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if you stop the data in 2019
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:40 pm to BCreed1
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Nope. I was right period.
Sure, if you ignore the data you don't like.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:41 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:42 pm to Azkiger
quote:It's an example. I used a lawyer and a cleaning service as examples. Pick any number you like. There are very few examples of the US being cheaper for labor being cheaper than overseas production. If you can't justify the higher cost for US labor, just say so.
Why are you comparing value created (300 an hour) vs hourly salary (3 dollars an hour)?
quote:No. You really aren't. In fact, you're getting goods back for that $3 so it's less.
Also, you're sending a lot more than 3 dollars an hour overseas.
quote:Right. Just like we could break windows at those local businesses and create a huge demand for window manufacturing and installers!
Local retailers purchasing foreign goods aren't merely paying hourly wages to have those products placed on their shelf. You're removing what that retailer paid minus whatever transportation costs that are on our own economy's side of the fence back to that country.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:43 pm to BCreed1
quote:They were Trump's tariffs. Biden just raised them higher.
You asked why Biden's tariffs didn't work.
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That answer is policies.
K. You're not worth my time.This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:44 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:And ignoring the COVID era-expenditures reducing demand, and all sorts of things. You know "policies".
Listen man, if you stop the data in 2019, you'll see that he was on his way to being right 5 years ago.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure, if you ignore the data you don't like.
I didn't ignore it, I addressed exactly what you said. This is why I stopped replying to you because you are dishonest.
I'll give you another chance. Prices dropped in 2019. Prices of other appliances rose higher. The results of covid drove prices of everything up. Thus inflation. The tariffs moved production into the USA and that kept prices lower than what they would have been due to supply chains being strained.
The prices were also effected by the Biden policies. The same reason the rest of the items we purchase.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:45 pm to Azkiger
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The free market economy failed if you only look at Covid years.
Nothing better when the describe tariffs as "free market". Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:46 pm to Taxing Authority
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You asked why Biden's tariffs didn't work.
They were Trump's tariffs. Biden just raised them higher.
Again.. Policy.
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That answer is policies.
K. You're not worth my time.
You mean you can't deal with simple economics. Is free trade effected by policies of government?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:48 pm to BCreed1
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This is why I stopped replying to you because you are dishonest.
You stopped replying? Since fricking when?
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2019
Keep going, sport. I know it's not convenient for the bullshite you're peddling here, but the numbers aren't that scary.
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The same reason the rest of the items we purchase.
Man, if only there was a relevant data point that we could use to overcome Muh Policies...
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:48 pm to Taxing Authority
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It's an example.
An example that tells us what?
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There are very few examples of the US being cheaper for labor being cheaper than overseas production.
I'd be surprised if there were any.
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If you can't justify the higher cost for US labor, just say so.
I just listed a whole lot that you ignored (non-federal taxes, secondary jobs lost related to manufacturing, increased stress on social welfare programs, potential effects on lower birth rates, crime rates, and mental health issues, not having many of those dollars spent recirculating within our own economy, etc.).
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No. You really aren't. In fact, you're getting goods back for that $3 so it's less.
"Foreign companies don't make profits."
Dunno about you, but if I were a foreign producer I'd keep the price as high as I could without causing the industry to shift back to the home country.
Sure, I could sell that item for 2 dollars, but an American company might need to sell it at 3.50 to make a profit. I'll sell it for 3.15 or 3.25.
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Right. Just like we could break windows at those local businesses and create a huge demand for window manufacturing and installers!
Another example that needs an explanation...
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:50 pm to BCreed1
quote:Repeating is going to rehabilitate it.
Again.. Policy.
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Is free trade effected by policies of government?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:52 pm to Taxing Authority
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Nothing better when the describe tariffs as "free market".
Why are taxes incompatible with a free market?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
We are done here. Welcome back to ignore.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:57 pm to Taxing Authority
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Is free trade effected by policies of government?
I see you can't answer that.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:57 pm to BCreed1
Yeah, that's what I fricking thought.
Try cherry-picking the data again, and I'll bust you up again.
Clown.
Try cherry-picking the data again, and I'll bust you up again.
Clown.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:59 pm to Taxing Authority
Maybe you can answer this. Does domestic production have value beyond what market prices reflect?
Does manufacturing drive innovation?
Does manufacturing drive innovation?
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 12:02 am
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