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re: Budget comparisons between St George & other Louisiana cities
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:48 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:48 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
I don't see any improvements in incorporation. Only an extra layer of government to pay for.
I understand the desire for a school district, although I personally prefer to pay less taxes and take care of myself.
Are St George supporters going to feel stupid when they have to pay extra to incorporate and then still fail to get a school district? The school district still needs 2/3rds vote in the legislature.
Will it still need a parish-wide vote in order to happen? If not, then that'll be a big hurdle that gets bypassed through incorporation.
I understand the desire for a school district, although I personally prefer to pay less taxes and take care of myself.
Are St George supporters going to feel stupid when they have to pay extra to incorporate and then still fail to get a school district? The school district still needs 2/3rds vote in the legislature.
Will it still need a parish-wide vote in order to happen? If not, then that'll be a big hurdle that gets bypassed through incorporation.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:00 pm
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:49 pm to Asgard Device
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I was talking about the pay check. I didn't realize that a salary was required.
Great idea, I'm sure there are plenty of qualified, competent people that would do the job for free.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:51 pm to Asgard Device
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Will St George create their own library system?
That's another thing, the parish has a library system, a parks&recreation system, a sewer system.
That wouldn't change, and I doubt St. George would build their own library.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:56 pm to doubleb
You know if St. George becomes a incorporated area they still will vote on parish councilperson and I'm assuming the Mayor-President of EBR Parish
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:58 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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Technically that money could only be spent on the library system so they'd either need to build the monstrosity in your neck of the woods, or keep carrying it forward.
Will St George create their own library system?
Attempts to justify such a poor decision by claiming that the money had to be spend anyway ignores several practical realities. BR leaders never had to put that tax on the ballot for a vote in the first place. Once they made that poor decision, they could have still used that money to offset future spending on existing library buildings thereby eliminating the need for future library taxes and saving residents money.
Will SG create its own library system? I don't know. Seem a bit unnecessary in today's age, but I see arguments on both side. Assuming they do decide do create one, I'm pretty sure it would not involves such a gross waste of money.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:58 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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Great idea, I'm sure there are plenty of qualified, competent people that would do the job for free.
What job, exactly, does a police chief do when he has no ability to pay for deputies, jails, or court?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:03 pm to LSURussian
This is some grade A+ work.
Good job Russian.
Good job Russian.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:03 pm to Asgard Device
They are going to need a full police force. We're talking about a city of over 100,000, not Sorrento.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:06 pm to Antonio Moss
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Posted by Antonio Moss They are going to need a full police force. We're talking about a city of over 100,000, not Sorrento.
EBR Sheriff could continue to do it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:02 pm to Asgard Device
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EBR Sheriff could continue to do it.
Exactly, they should expect the same level of coverage they have now plus they'll have a police chief.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:12 pm to tdg
quote:What tax are you referring to? The library tax was voted on by the entire parish. I voted against it. It passed anyway.
BR leaders never had to put that tax on the ballot for a vote in the first place.
Is there another tax I'm not aware of?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:13 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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This is some grade A+ work.
Good job Russian.
Come back to the Money Board. We miss you.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:14 pm to LSURussian
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I voted against it. It passed anyway.
So did I
One thing I know, BREC, and The Library Board can get any tax they want pass and there is hardly any scrutiny on how they spend our money.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:17 pm to Asgard Device
I agree. The optimal solution is a school district without incorporation. Apparently they can get more support in the legislature (and possibly a better defense against potential legal challenges) if they are incorporated first.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:22 pm to dewster
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I agree. The optimal solution is a school district without incorporation. Apparently they can get more support in the legislature (and possibly a better defense against potential legal challenges) if they are incorporated first.
I'm leaning that way too, but I understand the frustration these people have.
They didn't start out wanting to form a new city, but they were indirectly told that's what they needed to do to get a school district of their own.
My grand kids live out there, and spending thousands a year on a private school isn't a lot of fun when you also pay taxes to support your neighborhood school where they bus kids in because no enough people in the neighborhood goes there any more.
It's really not a power grab, a race thing, a class war; it's all about educating their kids in neighborhood schools.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:30 pm to dewster
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Apparently they can get more support in the legislature.
How is that apparent? Where is the evidence? You need 11 to 13 reps to swing the other way. Best case scenario would still require getting at least 5 more Democrats on board.
Do you still need the majority vote in the parish? If not then that would be a reason to incorporate.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:33 pm to doubleb
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They didn't start out wanting to form a new city,
They did. When they first requested a new school district I warned folks that it was a ploy to incorporate. Seems fairly obvious, given who they key players are.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:34 pm to doubleb
One of the little factoids I've heard with our own efforts to create independent schools was that special districts not based on some kind of geographic or community boundaries are sometimes easier to challenge in court....and this being Memphis, that was an expectation. There was talk years ago of one special district but we ended up with 6 unique municipal districts (several will merge, I think). That was part of the appeal of the muni districts. One of the suburbs had a bitter fight with the county over the control of one school in its boundaries but it ultimately worked out.
Funding them shouldn't be a problem for the larger suburbs (40,000-50,000 people) but I have my doubts with a couple of the smaller districts. My district is smaller but wealthier than St George and they are making it happen with the state minimum required 1/2 cent sales tax plus the county taxes we already pay and whatever the ADA funding ended up being. We don't need to build whole new high school and several middle schools though.
Funding them shouldn't be a problem for the larger suburbs (40,000-50,000 people) but I have my doubts with a couple of the smaller districts. My district is smaller but wealthier than St George and they are making it happen with the state minimum required 1/2 cent sales tax plus the county taxes we already pay and whatever the ADA funding ended up being. We don't need to build whole new high school and several middle schools though.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:35 pm to Asgard Device
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How is that apparent? Where is the evidence? You need 11 to 13 reps to swing the other way. Best case scenario would still require getting at least 5 more Democrats on board. Do you still need the majority vote in the parish? If not then that would be a reason to incorporate.
It was reported at the time that if they were a city then they would have a better chance, but you are right there are no guarantees.
On the other hand they do know they have been defeated twice coming in as an unincorporated area whereas Central got their school district after they incorporated.
I don't think they need the majority in the parish to incorporate, I believe only a majority in the proposed city limits.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:37 pm to Asgard Device
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They did. When they first requested a new school district I warned folks that it was a ploy to incorporate. Seems fairly obvious, given who they key players are.
I believe you are totally wrong about that and obviously have an agenda against the people in Central. why I don't know and I don't care, but people in St. George are smart enough to decide what's best for us and we don't need Central people or Baton Rouge people trying to tell us what is best for us.
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