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Blockchain based voting system
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:19 pm
I expect a lot of knee jerk hell no responses and that’s ok.
For those who aren’t well-versed in the technology and how it differs from a Dominion type system, I’ll give as much of TLDR version as possible for a complicated topic.
Digital Identity issued to everyone. You get to choose what information is divulged based on situation (ie buying beer the cashier just needs DOB, not address)
Voting could be enabled/disabled based on citizenship status, age, criminal record,, location, etc
Voting could be done via app on phone or in person
Blockchain records the vote - voter has the encryption key and can verify their votes are correctly recorded. Government can see they vote and can verify it’s from a valid voter but not match it back to the specific voter.
Blockchains are an open journal and transactions cannot be altered. You have verified voters with unalterable results.
I’m sure there’s lots of questions and gotchas. Thoughts?
If you downvote, please explain why. There may be an answer to your issue.
For those who aren’t well-versed in the technology and how it differs from a Dominion type system, I’ll give as much of TLDR version as possible for a complicated topic.
Digital Identity issued to everyone. You get to choose what information is divulged based on situation (ie buying beer the cashier just needs DOB, not address)
Voting could be enabled/disabled based on citizenship status, age, criminal record,, location, etc
Voting could be done via app on phone or in person
Blockchain records the vote - voter has the encryption key and can verify their votes are correctly recorded. Government can see they vote and can verify it’s from a valid voter but not match it back to the specific voter.
Blockchains are an open journal and transactions cannot be altered. You have verified voters with unalterable results.
I’m sure there’s lots of questions and gotchas. Thoughts?
If you downvote, please explain why. There may be an answer to your issue.
This post was edited on 7/30/22 at 1:20 pm
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Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:21 pm to RonLaFlamme
What's wrong with just using the old machines that were used for decades before technology came along?
No hanging chads, hacks, etc. Whatever machines my parish uses they have had for years and work just fine.
No hanging chads, hacks, etc. Whatever machines my parish uses they have had for years and work just fine.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:23 pm to stout
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Whatever machines my parish uses they have had for years and work just fine.
You have a paper trail for those votes?
If not, how do you know the results are legot?
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:23 pm to RonLaFlamme
Elections are run on a state-by-state basis. You’ll never get all 50 states to agree to this.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:24 pm to RonLaFlamme
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Voting could be done via app on phone
That's your problem right there. Blockchain is fine, would provide good accountability, but voting MUST be done in person. An app, etc... is vulnerable to the same bullshite we had in 2020.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:24 pm to stout
Do you feel like our voting system is transparent and trustworthy? This offers full transparency without exposing sensitive personal information.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:27 pm to RonLaFlamme
Sounds too complicated for Demoncrats. Sounds fine to me.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:27 pm to PrezCock
I could see that opening a way for people to ballot harvest. Get everyone at church or put on a concert and have everyone vote then and there - fair point. Though there would be a password of some sort to verify the actual owner of the identity is the one that voted.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:28 pm to Diamondawg
The tech is complex - no doubt, but it has the benefit of being unalterable and traceable.
This post was edited on 7/30/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:30 pm to Godfather1
Not all 50 states have to do it. Start with 1 state or a city/county to prove it out
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:31 pm to PrezCock
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An app, etc... is vulnerable to the same bullshite we had in 2020.
Like what? What bullshite did we have in 2020?
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:32 pm to ksayetiger
Yes you do. An unalterable record that can be verified by the voter and also printed.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:32 pm to RonLaFlamme
I’m a fan. Good use case for the block chain. Not sure if the current BC infrastructure can handle that many votes at scale, but worth a shot. As always though you’ll need an alternative method for those who don’t have the resources to vote this way.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:35 pm to RonLaFlamme
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Not all 50 states have to do it. Start with 1 state or a city/county to prove it out
WV has already done it with UOCAVA ballots and refused to share any audit data from the private, for-profit company that ran the chain.
So, you can have a public distributed ledger where a majority of whomever is on the network can decide which blocks are verified or not. Or, you can do like they did and have a private or otherwise single-party outfit control them ledger and who knows what could be in that codebase.
Basic paper ballots and robust verification procedures are all we need, it’s all we ever needed.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:36 pm to RonLaFlamme
Voting should have some degree of difficulty, we shouldn't cater to the lowest common denominator who are apathetically engaged.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:38 pm to Pigimus Prime
I wasn’t aware of the WV situation. And yes, a private blockchain defeats the purpose of what I’m suggesting. A public and decentralized blockchain would guard against manipulation. It would definitely be a target of bad actors.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:41 pm to RonLaFlamme
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Digital Identity issued to everyone.
Too open to abuse by government for Conservatives and Libertarians and would be considered as "racist" amongst many Liberals and Progressives.
So right off the bat you're fighting an uphill battle.
The system we had with the paper ballots, mechanical machines and heavy restrictions on absentee voting and ballot harvesting worked far better and were more simple.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:47 pm to RonLaFlamme
Doesn't blockchain use an enormous computational capacity? Also, not sure who gets there first but quantum computing sort like rock on scissors and paper on rock? From what I read, quantum computing sort of makes all of today's computing like an abacus. It will revolutionize hacking.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:47 pm to RonLaFlamme
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I wasn’t aware of the WV situation. And yes, a private blockchain defeats the purpose of what I’m suggesting. A public and decentralized blockchain would guard against manipulation. It would definitely be a target of bad actors.
Any counterpoints to this?
Rivest et al working paper
Posted on 7/30/22 at 1:57 pm to Bard
I get your point, but don't see how it differs in anyway from the current situation. Where do you get your drivers license or voter registration from today?
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