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re: Bill Kristol: “America First Is Dead: We Are All Globalists Now..”

Posted on 6/22/25 at 8:51 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 8:51 am to
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Ahh well. We have Bush again


The way we've dominated the world militarily, it was inevitable.

We are the worlds bully. There is no love for our own citizens.
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 8:52 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38282 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:33 am to
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lmao - you know nothing about me, but this here is pretty funny.


Yes I do. You continue to demonstrate it below.

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There is nothing “conservative” about surrendering, and that’s precisely what you’d do with a vote for Gavin f’n Newsom because the wrong Republican won the primary.


You are someone who treats politics as a team sport. You're an idiot and part of the problem.

Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:36 am to
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You know, because that's the basic conservative platform in case you weren't aware.

Its not.
Reagan ran in restoring American pride, confronting the Russians, and getting our hostages back from Iran.
And he would have gone to war with them.

There is a difference between saving your ammo for something that matters and wasting your power.

You want to be a 1939s german American Bund isolationist.

That's not popular.

Watch Reagan a time for choosing.
Its about being willing to fight when needed.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:38 am to
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We are the worlds bully.

Aren't you tired of hating your own country.

The Chinese are ramming fishing vessels of other nations.

They are collecting ports as collateral for loans.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297665 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:41 am to
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Aren't you tired of hating your own country.


What happened to you people?

Remember when the "governement" wasnt the "country? Think back a couple months before y'all were propagandized regarding Iran..
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38282 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:41 am to
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Its not.
Reagan ran in restoring American pride, confronting the Russians, and getting our hostages back from Iran.
And he would have gone to war with them.

There is a difference between saving your ammo for something that matters and wasting your power.

You want to be a 1939s german American Bund isolationist.

That's not popular.

Watch Reagan a time for choosing.
Its about being willing to fight when needed.


You don't even know what the word isolationist means.

None of you do.

Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:44 am to
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An America that considers 37 T debt as more of threat than Iran. But, be it Obama or Trump or Bidet or Trump again, they ignore.

You do know they debt as a % of GDP is down 20% since 2021...
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 9:45 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38282 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:46 am to
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Aren't you tired of hating your own country.

The Chinese are ramming fishing vessels of other nations.

They are collecting ports as collateral for loans.


Our government is not our country. It's an illegal criminal organization that ignores the law of the land.



Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:48 am to
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You don't even know what the word isolationist means.


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a person favoring a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries.


Someone who allows Iran to get a bomb, who allows Russia to take Ukraine, who allows China to take Taiwan and build a base in Cuba.

To quote Reagan.

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Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then, when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
9064 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:49 am to
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You do know they debt as a % of GDP is down 20% since 2021...
.

You do know debt and debt service go up every day
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:50 am to
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You do know debt and debt service go up every day

Yes but inflation and a rising GDP have a counterbalance to the problem.

People focus on pure numbers when % of GDP is what matters.
That's down 20% due to high inflation and growth.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:52 am to
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Our government is not our country. It's an illegal criminal organization that ignores the law of the land.


You are free to move to a country you consider more appropriate to your sensitive nature.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92902 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:54 am to
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He’s right though. Trump sold out, plain and simple. At least now there’s no more hiding the extent of Israeli influence. It’s no longer a “conspiracy theory” that jews run it all, it’s plain to see with anyone that has eyes. Next few decades are make or break



It's so nice to see people waking up to this fact. Just a few years ago this comment either would have been deleted or downvoted to oblivion, now the upvotes outnumber the downvotes! We might finally become America First soon!
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:55 am to
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What happened to you people?

Remember when the "governement" wasnt the "country? Think back a couple months before y'all were propagandized regarding Iran..


The government isn't the country, but the make America less again group is actively rooting for the country as a whole to turn tail and retreat.

They are rooting for America to be smaller and lesser, poorer and more disrespected.

I've been fighting Barron for months on exactly this.

I haven't changed one bit.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38282 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:56 am to
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Someone who allows Iran to get a bomb, who allows Russia to take Ukraine, who allows China to take Taiwan and build a base in Cuba.

To quote Reagan.


No, that's not what an isolationism is. That's what neocons call it as a means of propaganda to get idiots like you to believe it.

People like you used this same excuse to get us into war with Iraq. Everyone who didn't support the wars was an isolationist, blah blah blah.

Do you think the rest of the world are also isolationists because they aren't starting wars? You're just someone who gets manipulated by fear. A pussy.

You know what the biggest isolationist policy I have seen in the past few years? Tariffs.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297665 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:56 am to
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The government isn't the country,


Then why did you say what you said? Youre confused, very confused.
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 9:58 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38282 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:59 am to
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The government isn't the country, but the make America less again group is actively rooting for the country as a whole to turn tail and retreat.

They are rooting for America to be smaller and lesser, poorer and more disrespected.

I've been fighting Barron for months on exactly this.

I haven't changed one bit.


America is one of the most hated countries in the world because of people like you. Not starting new wars is not turning tail.

And personally, I hope your version of America IS destroyed and I vote to have it destroyed every election by voting against the uniparty.


This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 10:00 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
38282 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:01 am to
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You are free to move to a country you consider more appropriate to your sensitive nature.


I'm free to exercise my 1st and 2nd amendment rights.

I'm one of the people that has allowed you to maintain what limited rights you have left.

You are the one who is anti-American. Take your arse to Israel.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:05 am to
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No, that's not what an isolationism is. That's what neocons call it as a means of propaganda to get idiots like you to believe it.


That's literally the dictionary definition.

You have an imagination, why don't you share it with the class on what your personal definition is in regard to China Russia and Iran.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6211 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:09 am to
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America is one of the most hated countries in the world because of people like you. Not starting new wars is not turning tail.


We really aren't you suck up left wing propaganda.

America is loved all over the world.

Much more so than China.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-views-of-the-us-and-china-in-24-countries/

Look at the actual data and stop with your "it must be true because I believe it"
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