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re: Biden admin discuss giving nukes to Ukraine

Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:09 am to
Posted by Seeing Grey
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:09 am to
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Ukraine is not NATO.


Would you want to run the numbers of native Ukrainian missiles used in the war vs the number NATO missiles used in the war?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:10 am to
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Eh, given the chance of proliferation from a cash strapped Ukraine


Why hasnt Pakistan nuked india?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:14 am to
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Why hasnt Pakistan nuked india?


Your strawman here has nothing to do with the proliferation that could have and more than likely would have occurred in the 90's had Ukraine been left to hold onto their nukes...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:14 am to
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Would you want to run the numbers of native Ukrainian missiles used in the war vs the number NATO missiles used in the war?


Put in Ukraine's arsenal. And they didnt use long range missiles until we gave them permission (which is retarded)




Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:15 am to
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Your strawman




Its not.

Nukes are a deterrent. You dipshits used to believe this at one time.

Posted by Seeing Grey
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:21 am to
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Put in Ukraine's arsenal. And they didnt use long range missiles until we gave them permission (which is retarded)


So if you agree that almost all weapons Ukraine has used are NATO based and NATO is completely funding the war. It's a hell of leap to somehow suggest Ukraine is not a NATO proxy.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:25 am to
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So if you agree that almost all weapons Ukraine has used are NATO based and NATO is completely funding the war.


Ukraine is NOT a NATO country.


You can pretend all you want.
Posted by Seeing Grey
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:29 am to
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You can pretend all you want.


So a trust fund kid can spend daddy's money, but theyre technically different people. So daddy has no say so in the matter, correct.

Talk about being a dipshit
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 11:30 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:30 am to
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So a trust fund kid can spend daddy's money,


Youre flailing.

If Ukraine was NATO, we would have massive number of boots on the ground.

You people are like children
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:31 am to
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Someone get this 82 year old out of office before he kicks off WWIII in the last month of his presidency.

Replying to @zerohedge
Dems: Trump is going to start WW3!

Also Dems: Here Ukraine, have some nukes.

Posted by Seeing Grey
Member since Sep 2015
799 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:42 am to
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Youre flailing.

If Ukraine was NATO, we would have massive number of boots on the ground.

You people are like children


Children think in black and white, you're entire argument is based on the a technical definition, when there's a ton of evidence to contrary.

But hey, politicians would never misuse technical definitions to their benefit. So they must be gospel.
Posted by Load Toad
Haughton, LA
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:43 am to
Biden trying hard to make Trump focus on his frick ups instead of immigration policies.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298453 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:43 am to
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Children think in black and white


Precisely.


Nukes created the "Long Peace"

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Reasons for the Long Peace have included the deterrence effect of nuclear weapons


quote:

you're entire argument is based on the a technical definition


No, its based on historical fact.

Do guns cause crime?
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 11:45 am
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:45 am to
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Have you ever heard of the "Long peace?" Of course you havent because youre a retard. Google it or have someone read it for you.

I have zero trust in Ukraine to handle nuclear weapons. One of the most corrupt countries in the world. You might as well give them to everyone.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51685 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:45 am to
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Nukes are the ultimate deterrent.

Until they get used, then the other side is going to use their nuclear weapons. I don’t trust Zelensky to just sit on them.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298453 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:48 am to
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Until they get used,


Same argument Democrats use for firearms.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298453 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:49 am to
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I have zero trust in Ukraine to handle nuclear weapons.


How are you going to stop them from buying one?
Posted by Seeing Grey
Member since Sep 2015
799 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:50 am to
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Nukes created the "Long Peace"


You know we started this conversation, where we agreed that nukes keep peace...

However, to continue peace, nukes need to be treated responsibly and giving them to Ukraine is not.

You just keep changing the subject when you're verifiably wrong. I've fed you long enough...
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 11:52 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298453 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:51 am to
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You know we started this conversation, where we agreed that nukes keep peace...


They do,.

Russia would not have attacked if Ukraine had nukes.

Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 1:26 pm to
If nukes are transferred, and if we live, Trump MUST put those responsible in prison. He'll have to liaison with Russia before inauguration and spin up every asset in our govt once in office. There are fricking Nazis in Ukraine. There is literally no way to know what would happen with nukes. They could end up with the Mexican cartels just as easily as being lobbed into Russia.

This is the biggest and reddest line possible.
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