re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election

Also…when they can just print up fake ballots on command it’s difficult to know how many people really voted or didn’t

I don’t wonder at all but I doubt he does. Christianity is dying because people like him have sat by and done nothing as leader after leader gradually stripped away family values and Christian values. I love the “God is in control” shtick as if that’s a Biblical principle for doing nothing lol God was in control when Stephen was stoned for his beliefs and when John the Baptist was beheaded yet God didn’t intervene. Not because he couldn’t but because they were standing up for their faith. American Christians can’t even be bothered with voting. Of course, it’s also the same people who misquote “all things work together for the good FOR THOSE that love the Lord”.

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The con job Trump has pulled on evangelicals is amazing. There is nothing Christian about Donald Trump. He is a narcissistic philanderer who cares nothing about anyone but himself.

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It’s incredible. Nothing Christian about him and nothing conservative about him. He grew the size and scope of government in ways that we’ve never seen before. Or just sat there and let other people do it we have no idea

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Because you can take an action that averts the evil end, or ateast helps avert it.

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Again, I don't live in a red state or a purple state. My vote will not avert evil in terms of the Presidency. A vote for Trump would, at best, be a protest vote.

I'll be voting against some state/local propositions that would curb evil, and I won't have to violate my conscience to do so.

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Please point to sinful actions, that are out of normal presidential responsibilities, that Trump implemented during his first term?

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Trump's support for the LGBTQ+ community was sinful and not glorifying God.

His administration celebrated/recognized "pride month". His administration launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality in 2019. He appointed the first openly gay U.S. cabinet official (Richard Grenell) in 2020. He did not advocate to overturn the Obergefell decision but considered it settled, even though he didn't take that approach with Roe v. Wade.

This is the guy people are willing to follow to the gates of hell. Says a lot doesn’t it?

Meet the new boss. It’s the same as the old boss

I’ll participate in my local elections. That’s where you can make the most difference. Everything else it’s dead to me. This is a rotten federal government and I’m not interested in having a king with no clothes ostensibly running it

I don’t look at it that way. For one thing nobodies voting…the winners have already been picked. For another if I don’t pick either scumbag there’s no blood on my hands

Do you also not go to a store that’s not Christian owned? Did you buy your vehicles from a non believer? How much more important is your choice for president?! Trump is by far the best choice to lead our country and will protect religious liberty, the same as he did when he was in office. Seek wisdom and knowledge, but above all, wisdom.

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I don’t wonder at all but I doubt he does. Christianity is dying because people like him have sat by and done nothing as leader after leader gradually stripped away family values and Christian values.

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Christianity isn't dying but adherence to it or profession of it is dwindling. Christianity cannot "die" because the Truth will always be the Truth, regardless of how many people acknowledge it.

That said, I pray for my leaders as I'm commanded. I pray for Trump. I pray for Biden. I pray for my representatives.

And BTW, not voting is doing something. Talking about how I'm not voting here is doing something. I'm protesting the GOP and their decisions to go with candidates who blaspheme God's name. I'm protesting the "Conservatives" that throw Christians off and under the bus because Christianity isn't "relevant" any more, and that we need more secular candidates with secular policies that are more appealing.

The GOP is throwing mud in the face of Christians and you act like Christians should be OK with it and continue to vote for candidates who are morally questionable (at best) because they support some policies (sort of) that Christians support. What are those? LGBTQ+ is becoming more acceptable under the GOP tent. Trans treatments for kids are the only thing they are fighting back against right now. Abortion is a non-starter any longer and the GOP acts like millions of children being slaughtered every year is fine because it's a "states issue" now and it is unpopular with a large portion of the voter base. Endless borrowing, printing, and debt is fine.

No, my "no" vote is doing something. It sends a message that I'm not going to continue to vote for whoever the GOP sends up there even if the name of Christ is blasphemed because of them.

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I love the “God is in control” shtick as if that’s a Biblical principle for doing nothing lol God was in control when Stephen was stoned for his beliefs and when John the Baptist was beheaded yet God didn’t intervene. Not because he couldn’t but because they were standing up for their faith. American Christians can’t even be bothered with voting.

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God is in control, so you making fun of that is sad indeed. I'm also not saying that God being in control is an excuse for inaction. I believe it's important to remember that God is sovereign because it grounds the action we do take. We are not supposed to violate God's word because we are worried that if we don't take action, no one else will. We are to give God the glory in all things, even and especially when faced with difficult decisions.

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Of course, it’s also the same people who misquote “all things work together for the good FOR THOSE that love the Lord”.

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And all things do work together for good for those who love the Lord, even trials and hard providences.