re: ASTRONAUT: IF YOU THINK UFOS ARE ALIENS, YOU’RE AN IDIOT

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retired Canadian astronaut Stopped reading right there.

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Why?

“The first Canadian to walk in space, Hadfield has flown two Space Shuttle missions and served as commander of the International Space Station.”

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Underselling it quite a bit, aren't you?

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No. Its incredible what the engineers did back then with just a paper and slide rule to flight in 3 years. But it does not have any of the 5 observables that AATIP used to distinguish UAPs vs conventional aircraft.

1 1) Anti-gravity lift
Unlike any known aircraft, these objects have been sighted overcoming the earth’s gravity with no visible means of propulsion. They also lack any flight surfaces, such as wings.
2) Sudden and instantaneous acceleration
The objects may accelerate or change direction so quickly that no human pilot could survive the g-forces—they would be crushed. In the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute—an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour.

3 3) Hypersonic velocities without signatures
If an aircraft travels faster than the speed of sound, it typically leaves "signatures," like vapor trails and sonic booms. Many UFO accounts note the lack of such evidence.

4) Low observability, or cloaking
Even when objects are observed, getting a clear and detailed view of them—either through pilot sightings, radar or other means—remains difficult. Witnesses generally only see the glow or haze around them. (although didnt the SR 71 did incorporate some low radar signature tech ?)

5) Trans-medium travel
Some UAP have been seen moving easily in and between different environments, such as space, the earth’s atmosphere and even water. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses described a UFO hovering over a churning "disturbance" just under the ocean's otherwise calm surface, leading to speculation that another craft had entered the water. USS Princeton radar operator Gary Vorhees later confirmed from a Navy sonar operator in the area that day that a craft was moving faster than 70 knots, roughly two times the speed of nuclear subs.

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What would make you think that is something that would be revealed to the public? Were all the steps that brought us the SR71 or the F117, or the Stealth Bomber made public?

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Those aircraft are still using normal jet propulsion. There has been research into anti gravity. Lots of it actually. I think the most impressive thing I heard was an Air Force study back in 2010 using electro magnetism was able to produce a small disk that hovered for a 3 minutes at the impressive altitude of a few millimeters.

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Meh, not really. Most of the reports of Foo Fighters and the like were more along the lines of them flying more or less in formation with the planes, and then poofing gone.

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Yes really. I should have said over the past 70 years but so many of those reports have 1 or more of the 5 observables.

Look could this be some something out of Skunkworks? Maybe. But when you look at the long history of this phenomenon I dont think its far out to consider something else besides current human technology.
If it is ours then it s just as amazing than if it comes from somewhere else. Think about what it would mean for us to be able to have that kind of capability and it being tightly controlled by private and military hands. That opens up a whole other can of worms.

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Podesta, Reid & Obama commenting on this tells me all I need to know. I wouldn't trust the govt or these people on the smallest of topics. Obama especially coming out giving his Obama capt obvious what pilots have said statement, makes me real nervous.

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I heard Trump on Bongino yesterday, and he asked Trump straight out if he believed in aliens, and he’d didn’t answer directly, but his attitude was he didn’t believe. Now, I’m sure he’s seen more governmental ufo evidence than most.

Fascinating subject. I haven't spent a lot of time on it but there is plenty of logic on both sides. Pointing out the "humanly impossible" nature of the observed phenomena leads to the natural suggestion that they are non-human in origin. But the implication there, that the ENORMOUS distances involved in interstellar travel have been overcome, is also a daunting suggestion.

We have been able to detect gravity waves in recent years, which was a herculean undertaking to prove one of the remaining predictions of Einstein's GR theory. We've been able to detect all manner of distant objects, planets orbiting stars and their chemical composition. Yet... no direct signs of an advanced civilization. This doesn't really jibe with the Earth based UAP observations. Could they have hidden those signs from us, yet have left so much observable evidence here? Seems oddly conflicting.

And going back to the interstellar distances and the challenge involved in traveling light years from another star system to Sol & Earth. Even granting super advanced abilities, the observed UAP don't seem like anything that could reasonably do that trip. You're talking not just huge distances but radiation and other threats. So that implies possibly a mothership of some kind, or a wormhole type method of travel to shortcut that journey and allow smaller probes to be used.

Astronomy has moved to what's called "multiple messenger" observation of extraordinary events. I.e. using a combination of visible light, radio, higher energy EM, particles to get a more complete picture. We are starting to get some of that here but more is needed.

I'm skeptical but certainly not ruling out any possibility as we just don't have enough info. I sure hope this is our own Skunkworks though... and that we get some answers before I leave this planet in the traditional way!