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re: Argentina reports 1st budget surplus in 14 years

Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:29 am to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:29 am to
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(and you ignored)


I didn't ignore. I specifically addressed that point.

Since we're talking about public political movements, it doesn't matter what DOGE ends up doing because the conversation is what the public wanted. Austerity was on Trump's party platform, whether he delivers is irrelevant to that fact.

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Means very little in the big picture.


Again, irrelevant to the public perception of what they think it'll do. Remember, the conversation is about political movements and what the public wants/expects, not what one man will do in the future.

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Did you miss the debt ceiling fiasco a few weeks ago?


Do you think Tigerdroppings Political Talk is a good representation of half the country that voted for Trump?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:30 am to
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There are many more options of Trump supporting yuge spending, which is nothing like Milei


Milei wants to quadruple military spending.

But they're "nothing" alike.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:39 am to
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Milei wants to quadruple military spending.

But they're "nothing" alike.


But this board says Milei wants to use this surplus to pay down debt, not spend it.

This Argentinian surplus will be good for GE, Halliburton, Northrop Grumman and every other American military contractor. Which is to say, it's also good for me.

My investment portfolio appreciates the Argentinian tax payer's willingness to trust it's Government with a surplus that rightfully belongs to them.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298890 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:42 am to
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This Argentinian surplus will be good for GE, Halliburton, Northrop Grumman and every other American military contractor. Which is to say, it's also good for me.


Do you understand what a surplus is or how budgets work?

And how that is a massive improvement over accumulating debt?

Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:44 am to
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Pandy Fackler


You can't make this shite up. You should be first in line for the camps...can hold hands with SFP
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298890 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:47 am to
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Means very little in the big picture.


Again, irrelevant to the public perception of what they think it'll do. Remember, the conversation is about political movements and what the public wants/expects,


No, its not.

Only an idiot would ignore his previous administration and overlook his management style.

You have 4 years of a blueprint.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:51 am to
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No, its not.

Only an idiot would ignore his previous administration and overlook his management style.

You have 4 years of a blueprint.


I'm sorry your economic populist argument is falling apart.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:59 am to
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But this board says Milei wants to use this surplus to pay down debt, not spend it.


Did this surplus come after increasing military spending?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298890 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:00 am to
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I'm sorry your economic populist argument is falling apart.


Another economic simpleton.

Lots of them here.

Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70438 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:27 am to
Getting the cuts accomplished to balance the budget required an impressive amount of political will. However, it was always mathematically feasible. Now comes the real test: will economic growth result that outpaces the increase in misery caused by putting so many public workers out of a job and cutting social safety nets?

The cuts significantly increased poverty and decreased standards of living (though also rapidly decreased housing costs). Libertarians argue that such sacrifices are necessary in the short term because medium and long term sustainable economic growth will quickly make up the difference and result in significantly higher quality of life and growth long term. However, the steep sudden drop in living standards usually results in too much public anger for a political party to hold onto power long enough to see the experiment through. They inevitably get replaced by another spend-thrift regime that calms social tensions with big spending, kicks the fiscal can down the road, and sends the nation back towards stagnation and slow decline.

We need to see signs of rapid growth over the course of this year. Libertarians have theorized that we will, and everything has gone according to chalk to far, but we’re entering territory uncharted in the past century. I hope libertarianism is proven correct, and that the people of Argentina give Milei’s regime the patience necessary to see it through.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298890 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:29 am to
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. Now comes the real test: will economic growth result that outpaces the increase in misery caused by putting so many public workers out of a job and cutting social safety nets?


Which is why it will never happen here.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:30 am to
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Another economic simpleton.

Lots of them here.


Keep letting Chicago libs direct your economic understandings, their city is doing wonderful.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298890 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:32 am to
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Keep letting Chicago libs direct your economic understandings,


I'm a Milton Friedman guy.

Unlike you Bernie Bros.

Milei understands classic economics, Trump does not (and neither do you apparently). Donny is a Mercantilist.

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65735 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:39 am to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:48 am to
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Unlike you Bernie Bros.


Bernie doesn't run on cutting regs and useless departments.

You have me mislabeled. I voted for Trump because he's the lesser of two evils. He's flawed, and I disagree with quite a few of his policies.

I want steak, not shite salad. But America won't vote for steak, too many people want too many governmental freebies and protections. So I voted for a mayo sandwich. Steak wasn't on the menu and just about anything is better than a shite salad.

All that said, you're wrong here. There are lots of parallels between Milei and Trump, even on the economy/spending.

Lots of differences too. But saying they're opposites is just plain wrong. I know you want to dunk on the MAGA faithful but you actually have to put the ball in the net.
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 10:50 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298890 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:55 am to
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Bernie doesn't run on cutting regs and useless departments.


Progressives want departments cut, just not the same ones you would pick.


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Progressives align with DOGE on defense cuts: ‘Let’s play ball’


Like you, they want the money to go "to the people" and not the elite.

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All that said, you're wrong here




DOGE is nothing more than an advisory position which will have very little real world effects....

Trump isnt making any cuts that will affect economic output. Zero.



Posted by westerntigerfan
Member since Oct 2012
960 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 11:06 am to
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What's the aim of DOGE?


To throw a bone to a couple of Trump sycophants who helped him get elected.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 11:36 am to
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Progressives want departments cut, just not the same ones you would pick.



They only want certain department cuts because they want that government money spent on some other government project. In the end, they want a larger government.

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DOGE is nothing more than an advisory position which will have very little real world effects....

Trump isnt making any cuts that will affect economic output. Zero.


Why do you keep mentioning what Trump will do when this conversation spawned from your assessment of what a national political movement wanted?

So if Trump doesn't deliver, then that changes what the voters wanted?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28015 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 11:40 am to
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To throw a bone to a couple of Trump sycophants who helped him get elected.




A couple of people, huh?

"The first poll on DOGE with 997 respondents shows a majority of 62% of respondents support DOGE's mission to reduce government costs..."

- Source

Yea, just about 2/3rds of the country...
Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
10590 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 11:47 am to
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Another economic simpleton.

Lots of them here.


Tell us YOUR better solutions and who could possibly get elected to enact them instead of whining about someone else.

Otherwise you are nothing but a wannabe faculty lounge blowhard.
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