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re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano bringing the questions of the Jesuit Bergoglio..

Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:49 am to
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8689 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:49 am to
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Here's some general info on the Liturgy of the Hours.


Thank you. Yes, I've been committed to the Divine Office for decades. If I can't use my sacramental Breviary I use my DivineOffice.org app. One neat feature of this app? They have a graphic of the earth turning and each person using that app to say the office is represented by a point of light. The advantage of this simple graphic? I never feel like I'm saying the Divine Office alone. Someone in the world is saying the office with me at that precise moment. Although I don't know any of their names. But then, at times feel like I know them.

I especially love to say the Divine Office Night Prayers with the app. The prayers are said with a softer tone. Included in the Night Prayers is an Examination of Conscience. The Night Prayers always end with a hymn dedicated to our Blessed Mother. When the hymn ends there is silence. My country is at sleep - we place ourselves in sleep in the bosom of God and under the protection of the Angels. Then I sleep.

The Church adores God with my voice. I join my voice with countless others in the worship of a good and loving God.

You should try it. You will find the Peace the world cannot or will not give.

Pater mi coelestis, quomodo te amo, amen


This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
1274 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:05 pm to
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Sounds great to me. I would encourage all Protestants to get away from those heresies and join your Church. I would encourage all Roman Catholics to check out their local Orthodox church and prayerfully study the issue.

What heresies are you referring to?

1 Peter 3:15
15 Rather, revere Christ as Lord in your hearts.
Always be prepared to offer an explanation to anyone who asks you to justify the hope that is in you. However, do so with gentleness and respect.

A great % of Protestants, like Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, also revere, read, memorize, pray, recite and practice the words of the Apostles.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65899 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:19 pm to
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There is indeed Biblical and Church history support for the Primacy of Peter.


Catholic Church history? Sure. Biblical evidence? Nope.

Regardless, your argument has nothing to do with the modern Catholic Church's Pope worship.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
22053 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:30 pm to
When are all yall denomination worshipping fools going to realize that the “True Church” isn’t a building or denomination but it all born again Christians.

Born again Christians = The Church

There is no other church just different denominations
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:32 pm to
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The video is 50 min long so I have not watched it all.
Text is here:
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PREMISE
This online conference organized by Professor Edmund Mazza has as its theme a topic that is only recently becoming publicly discussed, after more than ten years of horrors worse than those we have witnessed in the last sixty years, but perfectly consistent with the philosophical and theological foundations laid for the present crisis by the Second Vatican Council. Is the Pope Catholic? A question like this in other times would have sounded almost like blasphemy, so deeply rooted was the respect and love of the faithful for the Roman Pontiff, considered to be like sweet Christ on earth. Who, in the time of Pius XII, would have dared to question his moral and magisterial authority? And on the other hand, why would the faithful have had any need to express dissent against a pope, since each pope’s voice was an expression of an uninterrupted continuity with his Predecessors and with the Divine Master? Listening to Jorge Mario Bergoglio speak today and comparing his words with those of the Pastor Angelicus [Pius XII] makes us understand the abyss that separates a true pope from his grotesque parody, the abyss that divides the Vicar of Christ from the simia Pontificis [the ape of the pope]. The hieratic authority of all the popes from Saint Peter to Pius XII, intimately bound to the divine authority of Christ the Eternal High Priest, has been perverted into arrogant authoritarianism and tyranny; the healthy sense of belonging to Holy Orders of clerics and Prelates has been corrupted into clericalism; the fixed immutability of revealed Truth, founded on the perfect immutability of God – and even of that truth naturally knowable through reason – has yielded to permanent revolution and chaos, to the provisionality of “loquimini nobis placentia” – “speak pleasing things to us” – and to the arbitrariness of the debatable: “aspicite nobis illusiones” – “prophesy illusions for us.” (Is 30:10).
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CONCLUSION
Let the once-Christian nations return to the Faith of their fathers. Let dissidents embrace Catholic unity. May peoples who are immersed in the darkness of superstition and idolatry be converted to the Living and True God. Let the people who were once the Chosen People recognize the true Messiah, distancing themselves from the Zionist heresy. Let individuals, especially those who are established in authority, shake themselves from their slumber and recognize with confidence that there is no power except from God, because this – and only this – is the premise for the harmony of peoples, for justice, for peace. Let faithful Catholics realize that it no longer possible to passively defer choosing which side we are on, clinging to the illusion that the current crisis fits within any precedent, remaining submissive to the cloak of authority worn by one who speaks only pleasing things but does not speak with the authority of Jesus Christ. And if the Shepherds are absent from this general awakening of consciences, let them remember the Lord’s terrible words: “If these are silent, the stones will cry out” (Lk 19:40).

Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop

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Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55351 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:31 pm to
"Heresy" is a word that is charged with way more electricity than necessary. All it means is that you have a "main" church with a set theological platform. Then a person or smaller church develops a modification of one or more items on the main church theological platform. That modified point of doctrine is defined as a "heresy" because it's not orthodox, it's heterodox.

Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55351 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:53 pm to
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Catholic Church history? Sure. Biblical evidence? Nope.

Regardless, your argument has nothing to do with the modern Catholic Church's Pope worship.


The articles cite specific Bible passages that support the conclusion that the Primacy of Peter is biblical. That is factual. The Biblical evidence is objectively there.

You can, of course, ignore it, because if you don't, you'll be proven wrong.

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