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re: Appeals Court Rules Trump can Deny Monies to Sanctuary Cities!
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:09 pm to volod
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:09 pm to volod
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Let's say a tourist or a child is killed by someone (not necessarily an illegal, anyone) and the crime happens to be in area where several of the witnesses are likely illegals ( and if they have EXPIRED VISAS, then they came in legally and overstayed).
Under the current system, it will be next to impossible to actually solve the crime. Nobody is going to indict themselves.
My stance is that you can't put all illegal immigrants into a box. Most of them aren't border crossers, and the feds admit that.
But if deportation is most important than securing witnesses to other crimes, then hopefully the end justifies the means.
Black citizens are killed every single day in multiple crimes across the country. witnesses don't come forward there either. So should we just start letting criminals out of jail so their neighbors will feel better knowing that the person won't come back to kill them, because there is no threat of jail time?
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:10 pm to LSUGrrrl
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How about we start with just deporting illegal immigrants who commit crimes (other than illegal entry or overstay)?
How about they do the right thing, update their visa or enter the country legally? Just a start....
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:12 pm to Kracka
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How about they do the right thing, update their visa or enter the country legally? Just a start....
Agreed. I’m just wondering if 2 sides can find a common middle ground. It seems logical to me that we deport criminals and can’t understand why anyone would argue against that stance.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:14 pm to volod
Do you actually believe the shite you spew?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:18 pm to Kracka
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Black citizens are killed every single day in multiple crimes across the country. witnesses don't come forward there either.
Snitches get stitches. It’s the immutable law of the street.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:26 pm to volod
“Victimless Crimes” as reported in your link:
3% were for guns - so they possessed a gun illegally? It’s only a victimless crime if they haven’t shot anyone or if we don’t know they shot someone.
4% other
14% traffic - only victimless if they haven’t killed anyone yet. A good friend’s daughter was run over and killed last year at aTm by an illegal immigrant who drove up on the sidewalk. He kept driving and only pulled over blocks later to look at the damage on his car. I suppose if she managed to jump out of the way in time that would have been a victimless crime.
33% - Drugs, Sex Work, Alcohol, Gamble - I’d like to see the actual breakdown of these crimes. Was alcohol involved in a vehicle? Gamble - pzzzt. Drugs & Sex Work aren’t necessarily victimless crimes. There is a price for society.
42% Immigration - again would like to see breakdown of these crimes. How many of these were previously deported and returned again?
3% were for guns - so they possessed a gun illegally? It’s only a victimless crime if they haven’t shot anyone or if we don’t know they shot someone.
4% other
14% traffic - only victimless if they haven’t killed anyone yet. A good friend’s daughter was run over and killed last year at aTm by an illegal immigrant who drove up on the sidewalk. He kept driving and only pulled over blocks later to look at the damage on his car. I suppose if she managed to jump out of the way in time that would have been a victimless crime.
33% - Drugs, Sex Work, Alcohol, Gamble - I’d like to see the actual breakdown of these crimes. Was alcohol involved in a vehicle? Gamble - pzzzt. Drugs & Sex Work aren’t necessarily victimless crimes. There is a price for society.
42% Immigration - again would like to see breakdown of these crimes. How many of these were previously deported and returned again?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:32 pm to volod
Undocumented = illegal. Changing the name is like putting lipstick on a pig.
Are we supposed to have a cafeteria style legal system?
How many laws will we be allowed to ignore?
Is changing the act of murder to "helping the angel of death" the next step?
What about changing robbery to " re-distributing the ownership of goods"?
Are we supposed to have a cafeteria style legal system?
How many laws will we be allowed to ignore?
Is changing the act of murder to "helping the angel of death" the next step?
What about changing robbery to " re-distributing the ownership of goods"?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:34 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I’m just wondering if 2 sides can find a common middle ground.
Not with this congress and senate. As long as the two sides are extreme one way and the other, there will be no common ground. And I don't think there will ever be any line in the sand. As long as people want to change this country's demographics, and pray that it works out at the polls, there will be no common ground.
Me personally, deport the violent ones. But where do you draw the line? You can't have people come here, subvert immigration law, and take advantage of our system and pay none back.
And what is a victimless crime anyway? If there wasn't a victim, there would be no reason for a law against whatever it is they are doing wrong.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:34 pm to boudinman
But didn’t y’all see the final season of Orange is the New Black where they had to deal with ICE!!!
Posted on 2/26/20 at 3:43 pm to Taxing Authority
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What happens is when illegals get arrested they are immediately released from the jail BEFORE they are booked. This way the feds cannot put a hold on them. Meanwhile if you’re a citizen you will be booked, arraigned, have to post bond.
No, they are booked, but the voluntary detainer is ignored and the illegal can post bond.
If they bond out before the feds show up, it's tough titty.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 4:27 pm to volod
Illegal criminal aliens are not immigrants, they are illegal criminal aliens. Don't you agree?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 4:37 pm to boudinman
They need to be cutoff TODAY!
Posted on 2/26/20 at 5:53 pm to volod
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you can't put all illegal immigrants into a box
Yes. You. Can!
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illegal immigrants
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all
It's really not that hard.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 11:14 pm to volod
quote:ACLU?
Deportation defers Reports
down vote you for putting ACLU as first link.
will not look at the other links.
1)you are a liberal bitch.
2)liberals are just nuts
3)your posts take up space
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:29 am to volod
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I really don't believe a position where law enforcement can't get information about crimes because illegals won't be witnesses isn't the best way to deal with the problem.
Because that's what this will ultimately do. Those people who are illegal here or have expired visas will just refrain from being witnesses. So it'll become more difficult to catch actual criminals (crimes unrelated to border).
But if that's the position Republicans want, so be it.
So you want illegal aliens to be able to blackmail us by withholding information in criminal investigations unless they get preferential treatment?
Well if that is the position you want, so be it.
You should get Bloomberg to spend another $100 million promoting EXACTLY that position.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:33 am to volod
quote:
Let's say a tourist or a child is killed by someone (not necessarily an illegal, anyone) and the crime happens to be in area where several of the witnesses are likely illegals ( and if they have EXPIRED VISAS, then they came in legally and overstayed).
Under the current system, it will be next to impossible to actually solve the crime. Nobody is going to indict themselves.
Seems like you could grant them immunity from deportation for a period of time in exchange for cooperating with an investigation
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:40 am to volod
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I really don't believe a position where law enforcement can't get information about crimes because illegals won't be witnesses isn't the best way to deal with the problem.
Good God, dude. You don't even see the level of indoctrination you've been subjected to.
"Sometimes, laws should be enforced Other times, they shouldn't. It all depends on what is best for Democrats."
You're a shite-excuse for a man, and you have no fricking integrity. This is the same warped mentality that can't tell the difference between a male and a female.
You're worse than useless.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 12:42 am
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:47 am to volod
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Nowhere in my post did I say that I agreed with them being here illegally. I actually believe ICE should deport them.
I disagree with the methods we are using, not the deportation itself.
Oh, ok. I think you might be right about this. We should tell the Latino community that they’re safe and won’t be deported but when they come forward we snatch their arse up and send them home. Smart.
I’ll expand on your original idea and suggest we run ads telling illegals they can get a driver’s license on a certain date and then from that day forward we’ll only be deporting those illegals without a state ID. Then we can snatch up and deport everyone that shows up to get an ID.
I like the way you think, lib
Posted on 2/27/20 at 3:28 am to volod
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I really don't believe a position where law enforcement can't get information about crimes because illegals won't be witnesses isn't the best way to deal with the problem.
Because that's what this will ultimately do. Those people who are illegal here or have expired visas will just refrain from being witnesses. So it'll become more difficult to catch actual criminals (crimes unrelated to border).
But if that's the position Republicans want, so be it.
If you believe that sanctuary cities really care about solving crimes, you are delusional. All over this country, DAs are letting suspects walk for all kinds of crimes. It is even better for illegals because they are not even being arrested for some crimes that would have you or me behind bars. That is being done just so they have no record and won't be deported. It is sickening that illegals are now considered above the law in some of our cities.
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