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re: Anyone else feel like the “intellectual dark web” is full of hucksters?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:19 pm to DelU249
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:19 pm to DelU249
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well that's a good policy, but we're talking about people with one or maybe even two big ticket issues that launched them to fame, and when they start to say and do things that are antithetical to that 1 or 2 things, they're what we call, a sell out.
Meh. Jordan Peterson is just Jordan Peterson. He articulates his ideas. People are free to like some, most, all or none of them. Same for the others.
The term "sell-out" has zero meaning and even your sentence failed to articulate a meaning.
The entire term sell-out presupposes that one set of ideas MUST mean that you hold certain views on another set of ideas. But, that's not even close to true at all.
Otherwise, my atheist arse who is pro-gay marriage wouldn't be pro-life, anti-death penalty etc etc.
Not everyone is going to share Fox Mulder's list of assigned required beliefs that must go together.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:25 pm to NIH
Quite a few of them are. I think the essential problem is that occasionally they might be right about some problem, but being correct about one issue doesn't mean you are correct about everything. The public at large is desperate for someone to help them understand the world, as the traditional gatekeepers of that understanding, through social media, have largely been shown to be undeserving of their position. The response to this shouldn't be to elevate another set of gatekeepers; it should be to examine our public epistemology, and discuss how societies can determine what is "true" without relying excessively on individual personalities.
That's the problem with the term "IDW" in that most aren't saying anything all that subversive. It's all rather banal reiterations of traditional points of view, but without the education of why those points of view lost favor.
That's the problem with the term "IDW" in that most aren't saying anything all that subversive. It's all rather banal reiterations of traditional points of view, but without the education of why those points of view lost favor.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:26 pm to ShortyRob
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:43 pm to DelU249
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i'm sure he is, but he said one of the reasons he came out was one extreme provoking the more dangerous extreme that has yet to form. "because they have all the guns"
and i don't see his efforts at being to stop the left from playing identity politics, i see his efforts at preventing the right from organizing in the same way.
That's a strange misreading. If you want to stop the right from indulging in right ID politics in response to the left you have to bring an end to left ID politics. You can't stop the right if the left persists.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:20 pm to DelU249
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this just fricking retarded. um, you're um, just like the left, because um, it's like i only know how to respond to the left.
i didn't say YOU were like the left
i'm saying you're making the same arguments that they do, just on the polar opposite side...while claiming he's a leftist
the point isn't calling you some ideological association, it's the logic behind your argument. the reason why you can call JP a leftist and leftists call him a Nazi is because both of your arguments are faulty and based in ideological purity.
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yeah i'm a big time leftist and SJW. xim xam xer.
i didn't say that
i am saying that you are engaging in a straw man, for some reason
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:22 pm to DelU249
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but we're talking about people with one or maybe even two big ticket issues that launched them to fame, and when they start to say and do things that are antithetical to that 1 or 2 things
JP really rose to fame being anti-feminist
what's he said that's been antithetical to that?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:25 pm to DelU249
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I’ll just go back to my usual brevity. I think they’re fricking gay
and there you go. another drive by gotcha
for a person who hates the left, you use their rhetoric as a major crutch
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:26 pm to DelU249
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If confirmed, kavanaugh should step down
not a good example
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but he disinvited faith Goldy from, get this, a panel on free speech because she was “too hot”
this is a good example
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:35 pm to DelU249
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And the response is some dumb shite about horseshoe theory.
it's actually not
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:19 pm to DelU249
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Ok, and does that raise an eyebrow?
yes and i haven't looked into it but if it happened how you said and why you said, it's probably based in $$$$$
i don't follow his recent issues or behaviors b/c i stopped paying attention months ago b/c of all of that stuff, generally. he became a brand
that doesn't invalidate everything he's said or the worth of his work, or others like Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers, Gad Saad, etc
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:39 pm to DelU249
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It calls into question his authenticity.
i don't agree as a bright line rule
your heroes will always let you down. it's why you shouldn't ever have any
besides, even if he was being a faker and found some nugget of truth, it's still the truth. if you go watch his lectures from before he got famous you can tell what's authentic, though. also he has his maps for meaning series (which has a lot of gobbly asian) that establishes a lot of his worldview on responsibility and self worth
also just on a slightly divergent note, he just spoke about things in a very good way for a particular population. there are other really good people who discuss a similar message about how to fix things who reinforce that original eloquence.
a no-nonsense and apolitical example is Cal Newport. he has some amazing books on this
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 9:02 pm to DelU249
As much as y'all hate these guys they pretty much created the space online for right wingers.
Outside of the Ron Paul fanatics there was virtually no right wing presence online pre-2014-15
Outside of the Ron Paul fanatics there was virtually no right wing presence online pre-2014-15
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