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re: Annualized rate of debt accumulation by president and congress since Eisenhower.

Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36218 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:21 pm to
Wtf are you talking about? Do you seriously want to argue that the United States debt isn't directly linked to massive social welfare programs, a foreign policy that requires us to be at war permanently and a bloated military budget to effectuate said wars?
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:41 pm to
If there's one thing both parties agree on, it's that they want to spend more of your money.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118969 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:52 pm to
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Honest question, what did Reagan do to increase debt accumulation? I’m too young to have experienced it



Cold War spending.
Posted by dantes69
Boise, Id.
Member since Aug 2011
2022 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:56 pm to
you miss what really happened, the D President would strip our military to bare bones and then over use them and the next R President had to rebuild it from scratch.

Go back and look at Military spending by Party and you will get a clearer picture.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118969 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:59 pm to
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Filing for both Chapter 11 and 13, using Trump's most experienced personal bankruptcy law team, is imminent.


When the Federal Reserve has to buy treasuries to keep interest rates low and inject liquidity that is a form of bankruptcy. But instead of having the privilege of not paying off debts under bankruptcy law the federal government gets the privilege of printing money to pay off debt.

Different method that leads to the diametrically opposed outcomes that have the same negative impact on the economy.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:05 pm to
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Honest question, what did Reagan do to increase debt accumulation? I’m too young to have experienced it




Turned america into the world police
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118969 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:06 pm to
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If there's one thing both parties agree on, it's that they want to spend more of your money.



This is very true.

Currently I believe the picture to be this:

GOPe plus Dems minus Freedom Caucus = big spending. The Freedom Caucus is not big enough to offset the GOPe and Dems. I also believe President Trump would sign a Freedom Caucus budget bill but he will never receive one because of the GOPe and Dems want the big spending to continue.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:06 pm to
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Turned america into the world police

Oh yeah. That started in 1980
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118969 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:09 pm to
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Turned america into the world police




Do you even Marshall Plan?
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 2:23 pm to
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Do you seriously want to argue that the United States debt isn't directly linked to massive social welfare programs, a foreign policy that requires us to be at war permanently and a bloated military budget to effectuate said wars?


Just like most Libertarians it's almost like you're kind of on the right track but then you take a hard left. The social welfare programs of this country exist to keep the poorest parts of our population dependent and away from the process. After all, they are the people that could create the most trouble for the most wealthy people so they are kept happy and uninvolved.

This keeps them from complaining about things like Perpetual War which makes a set few a ton of money. Pretending like it's social welfare that causes us to need war is ludicrous. The military-industrial complex, backed by big banking, has been steering this country wrong since World War II ended. The weapons contractors are rolling in it and they use us all as fodder.

Your whole schtick is misguided. I bet you're one of those people that thinks free market solves everything. Well guess what? The most useless profession in the world will be running everything very openly if we did something like that. How quickly Libertarians forget about the robber baron days and point their finger at government as if businesses aren't using the government as a veil anyway
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/14/18 at 4:08 pm to
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you miss what really happened, the D President would strip our military to bare bones and then over use them and the next R President had to rebuild it from scratch.


quote:

Go back and look at Military spending by Party and you will get a clearer picture.

How about we just look at military spending as a percentage of GDP by year since 1947:



Try to find Carter's negligent precipitous decline in spending, and Reagan's magnificent reinvestment in our military...

What trend started around 1968?

What trend started in 1980?

If Carter gutted the military, what the hell did Nixon do?
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