re: All schools need to be made hard target areas

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Nah.

Put the mentally ill in asylums like we used to do.

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And FFS end the war on bullying.

Not long ago when GenX was growing up, we learned to stand up for ourselves by beating the shite out of our bully when we couldn't take it any more. Or maybe we got our arse kicked when we stood up to the bully, but got in some vicious hits and earned his respect (my story ). We didn't get participation trophies. If we tried hard and sucked, we got made fun of and either got better or found something we're better at. Hell, we might have even gotten the privilege of dad beating our arse when we got home if we dropped a critical first down pass or whiffed on an easy pop fly during a game. If we had no choice but to kick arse, we kicked some arse.

These people beginning to take charge of our modern nation have never faced true adversity. Their boogymen are make-believe. Their entire truncated perception of the world is seen through the peep hole of a single lens. They think Reddit, BlueSky and the O-T Call of Duty keyboard warrior thread are accurate representations of reality.

ETA: The world needs more Ray Velcoros...

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I’m sick of seeing these things happen

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I had this convo with a pair of figs outside the polling station back when I went to go vote.
They started up the gun control shite, and I fired back with this.
They asked so what should we do? And I went through a list. As soon as I got to armed guards they smugly interrupted with We should turn schools into prisons. Got it.
I am so absolutely sick of that mentality. So frocking sick of it.
I answered back with. You started that, making kids wear masks in schools. We will just do it right.

It starts with the perimeter. Architects are a major part of the problem. They are more concerned about meeting budgets and style.

Schools are the exact opposites of jails. We need to keep the criminals out. They spend billions on jail perimeters and Pennies on your child’s safety.

There needs to be a standard spec for all schools’ perimeter security.

Cameras don’t work. Fences built properly do.

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In a school with 50 teachers, though, perhaps 5 could be trained. Only the local police chief and sheriff need to know who they are. I'd keep the principal in the dark as well.

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Were saying the same thing.

My point is that most of the people in the average school would either freeze up or put kids at risk squeezing off rounds without any sense of who else they might hit or with very little chance of hitting the shooter.

Training is a must if we are going to arm civilians who are going to carry around children and any responsible firearms instructor would agree.

I don’t know the answers, but I don’t think mandatory teacher carry is one of them. But there has to be a plan to make schools “harder” for this to happen. Mental health intervention is one part of it, but you have to have a comprehensive plan of defense against it. I’ll pay for more SROs-guards as long as they are trained and capable badasses, not the pussies that stood down in Florida and Texas.

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Horrible answer. I agree the mentality I’ll should be thrown in there; but are you suggesting we would somehow have a 100% success rate with that? No we wouldn’t. The simple fact is everything that is a hard target by it’s nature is less likely to be targeted and it’s understandable less people will die if they are

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His answer wasn't bad. Neither was yours.
Locking the crazies up takes care of more issues, than just the school shootings.
Of course it isn't 100%. But considering the cost we are paying, wouldn't even 20% be a win? For me, just one less time kids and teachers don't have to go through this, parents don't go through this, and fricktard polis don't get a chance to preach gun control would be a win.

This isn't aimed at you TD. But right now I'm pissed, and I gotta turn around the gun controllers shite against them.
How many kids have to die before you turn over your crazies?

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Most teachers aren’t competent enough with a firearm to carry or use it in a classroom full of children.

Unless we’re paying for training and certification I’m not in favor of that and I’m one of the most pro gun rights people you will ever meet.

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Let's be honest here. There's cops that aren't competent enough to go strapped in Walmart, much less classrooms.
Thinking directly of the cop that shot himself in the leg, in front of a class of kids, drawing his weapon.

Anybody allowed to go strapped in a school should have to go through, and pass, air marshall training.
And that's not a cakewalk.
After very seriously being vetted, especially their social media.

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I'm a SRO

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How do the kids treat you in the school?

I know in some schools the students are NOT friendly to them.

His junior year, I drug my kid through the halls and made him publicly apologize to one of them at his school, cuz he picked a fight, or tried to, with one.

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100% in favor of training and permitting for teachers who WANT to be allowed to carry on campus, but 100% against forcing any to do so against their will.

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Yup. Anybody that isn't 100% sure about carrying a weapon, will be less than 100% sure of USING said weapon, if they have to.

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Stupid, lame arse excuse. We're not saying that every Tim Walz needs to be armed.

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That's not an excuse, it's serious freaking truth.
There's people who are not competent enough to hold, or even draw a firearm. And surely not competent to get into a gunfight in a room or hallway full of bystanders.

Now, I'm sure that the poster who said that, completely agrees with everything else you'd said. As do I.
But just because they didn't say that, let's not go saying it's an excuse, ok?