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re: AG Holder wants felons to vote primarily because of race
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:16 pm to Zach
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:16 pm to Zach
look up, asshat
edit: here again
LINK
edit: here again
quote:
Link?
quote:
Citing Racial Disparities, Senator Rand Paul Favors Restoration of Felon Voting Rights
Acknowledging racial disparities in U.S. drug and sentencing laws, Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky is calling for the restoration of felon voting rights in state and federal laws.
The Tea Party favorite also says the consequence of those punitive measures is the chief culprit behind voter disenfranchisement in African-American communities.
"The biggest impediment to voting rights, right now, are convicted felons. One in three young black males has been convicted of a felony and they’ve lost their voting rights. I think it dwarfs all other (election-related) issues," says Paul.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 3:18 pm
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:18 pm to MJM
Thanks for finally posting the link.
One problem. Your post:
That would include murder, rape, arson, etc.
One problem. Your post:
quote:
You guys know who is also a big advocate of allowing felons to vote?
That would include murder, rape, arson, etc.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:20 pm to MJM
quote:
look up, asshat
Look up, asshat and answer my post.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:20 pm to MJM
quote:Your quote does not exactly match what Paul said.
You guys know who is also a big advocate of allowing felons to vote?
quote:
"We haven't decided which crimes yet, but I think particularly for non-violent drug crimes where people made a youthful mistake I think they ought to get their rights back," he says.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:22 pm to dante
did he not say he was in favor of restoring voting rights to felons?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:24 pm to MJM
quote:Sounded like he was in favor of restoring voting rights for youthful non-violent felons, but not all felons.
did he not say he was in favor of restoring voting rights to felons
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:28 pm to MJM
quote:
did he not say he was in favor of restoring voting rights to felons?
Are you that dense that you don't realize the scope between marijuana use and murder? Holder wants all people released from prison from whatever crime to be allowed to vote. There is only one motivation.
PEOPLE WHO GO TO PRISON TEND TO VOTE DEMOCRAT.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:44 pm to MJM
quote:
You guys know who is also a big advocate of allowing felons to vote?
Rand Paul
though i guess he also only wants this because of race
So? Just because I support a politician doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.
ETA: He's also talking about non-violent felons, ie drug crimes, not all felons.
quote:
Speaking to a handful of community activists and residents, Paul outlined how he also hopes to put forward a measure that would restore a felon's voting rights at the federal level five years after their release.
"We haven't decided which crimes yet, but I think particularly for non-violent drug crimes where people made a youthful mistake I think they ought to get their rights back," he says.
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:19 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
"When 100% of your citizens break the law, and quite frequently, you have a problem with your laws, not your citizens."-RogertheShrubber
There are major flaws in this argument, and the use of it as an excuse to eliminate certain laws is weak and trite.
How do we know 100% of the population breaks laws? How do we know there is a single law that 100% of the population breaks?
So according to this quote that you champion, there is absolutely no reason for laws nor their application. Then again, a felony is a felony. If you are evil, devious, dumb, pathetic, or stupid enough to get convicted of a felony, you've shown that you don't deserve the ability to vote. Ever. It's a law for a reason.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:20 pm to PanhandleTigah
quote:
Ah, you must be a druggie. Well, I've dealt with a 19 year old druggie for almost two years, and let me tell you if he gets caught again as an adult and gets convicted of a felony too Frickin' bad! No sympathy from me...never tried it...never intend to.
Drugs are bad...I don't care what you say. I have no problem with them being illegal and no problem with folks being jailed for using/distributing them. SO, whatcha got next??
This mentality is dangerous, and is a symptom of the illness that has been spread throughout our nation.
This board sometimes gives me hope, but that blissful feeling is often quickly dashed by the ignorance spewed in non-trolling posts.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:26 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:
There are major flaws in this argument, and the use of it as an excuse to eliminate certain laws is weak and trite.
How do we know 100% of the population breaks laws? How do we know there is a single law that 100% of the population breaks?
So according to this quote that you champion, there is absolutely no reason for laws nor their application. Then again, a felony is a felony. If you are evil, devious, dumb, pathetic, or stupid enough to get convicted of a felony, you've shown that you don't deserve the ability to vote. Ever. It's a law for a reason.
Criminalizing addiction is just as dangerous as the drug itself.
Here is a link to a subcommittee hearing about overcriminalization:
Judiciary Committee
So, I'm not the only one who has a problem with the litany of unjust laws and regulations being passed.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:27 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:Why hasn't the Courts thrown out these "unjust" laws?
So, I'm not the only one who has a problem with the litany of unjust laws and regulations being passed.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:29 pm to Zach
quote:
So.... the felon who leaves prison should be able to vote, but he still can't own a gun. That's kind of cherry picking which constitutional rights are restored and which ones are not.
You can use a vote to kill someone?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:31 pm to SpidermanTUba
Democrats voties have been killing people for years!
Posted on 2/11/14 at 6:10 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
Criminalizing addiction is just as dangerous as the drug itself.
You aren't criminalizing addiction. You are criminalizing the use of the illegal substance. If a person uses the substance, they've broken the law at that time. No offense, but you don't get addicted to a drug from using it once, and people know the issues with these drugs to a minimal degree.
If you CHOOSE to break the law of using an illegal narcotic, I have no sympathy for you if you get addicted. Plain and simple, you knew what you were getting into and there is a reason they are illegal. It isn't just for people to control others.
I have no sympathy for people in that regard. They made their choice. If you tell me someone was kidnapped and doped up with a drug, then that is an entirely different story than someone choosing to do so. Peer pressure isn't an excuse either.
In the end, you aren't criminalizing addiction, but addiction occurs upon illegal use of the drug. In most cases, you are convicted on illegally obtaining the drug, and not its actual use.
For example, outside of the states of Washington and Colorado, possession of non-medicinal prescribed marijuana, you have to obtain it through illegal means. Your obtaining it is the major illegal step whether by illegal purchase, gifting or producing.
So, please stop with the "criminalizing addiction" bs
Posted on 2/11/14 at 6:51 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:THANK YOU!!! You cannot get addicted to something if you never take/smoke/shoot. Someone who takes drugs makes a choice to do this illegal activity. They also make a choice to continue taking a drug which they KNOW is addictive.
Geauxgurt
I'm so very tired of people telling me to feel sorry for drugs users because it's not their fault. I have watched some smartass teenager brag about how he uses and sells drugs, but it's a not a problem. He forced me out of my bf's house and he isn't one bit sorry. I cannot stand drugs; they make me absolutely sick.
So, call me what you want. I see what voluntarily becoming a drug addict does, and if you go to jail because of your habit and lose your right to vote, so be it.
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 2/11/14 at 6:55 pm to PanhandleTigah
Well if holder wants it can he just wave his hand and make it so?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 7:05 pm to jbgleason
God there are a lot of idiotic posts in this thread
Posted on 2/11/14 at 7:41 pm to jbgleason
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