re: After today.... All Never Trump people need to wake up.

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I see the ree ree thread is still going strong

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You took time out of your day to whine about a thread.

I took time out my day to whine about whining.

We both need help.

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perhaps on this board but not in reality. TDS is real.

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Some truth to this. In the general public, there are far more deranged Leftists fearful that Trump is satan than there are whacky Trump superfans that believe he's Jesus.

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as expected you're downplaying this factor. I specifically stated in the post you replied to that Trump was attacked moreso than any President in our lifetime. I knew you would throw out the ole "all Presidents are attacked". Nowhere close to what Trump had to deal with.

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a) that I don't think it's an excuse for failure doesn't mean I don't acknowledge it.

b) have you ever thought the reason these attacks came in the volume they did was because they worked, and that's a two-way street?

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and of course here you again subtly but predictably change the argument that Trump was responsible for the attacks on him. So only the people he hired "consistently and effectively" attacked him?

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I did not suggest that "only people he hired consistently and effectively attacked him" ... what I said was what made the Trump era different from others is how much of the shite that flowed his way/impeded him came from those he hired or were otherwise subordinate to him.

And it's true. Name the other president that had cabinet members subverting a presidency the way Trump did.

I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but it's a fair criticism of Trump that he sucked balls at managing the executive branch and surrounding himself with people on the same agenda.

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That's why some posters claim you have TDS. You claim you accept that Trump had his successes but your posts place all responsibility on him.

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Some posters claim I have TDS because they have no argument to make and/or are shitty at making an argument.

That I think Trump failed at Covid response bigly doesn't mean I have TDS. I can make sensible arguments from the conservative POV that support my position.

That I think Trump was too establishment friendly doesn't mean I have TDS. I can make compelling arguments that the establishment flourished under Trump, and whether that was by design or coercion doesn't matter much to me.

That I think Trump is a big government moderate liberal means my eyes are open.

I will vote for Trump in November for the third time in a general, and outside of voting will probably do more to get him elected than about 90% of the superfans that suggest I have TDS.

I think we agree on many points of discussion. Just differences in degree of fault/blame. For the record I don’t think you have TDS.

Awwww OMB said something to hurt your feelings?!?!?