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re: Abortions in the US per year
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I'm prochoice, but I can't stand the snarky little bitches who are proud to get abortions. I admit that pisses me off.
I'm prochoice, but I call it what it is.
I'm prochoice, but I call it what it is.
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Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:04 pm to i am dan
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What other animals in nature perform abortions?
So it's really just the abortions that you take issue with? If a mother waits until her offspring is born and then eats it with a glass of wine, you're good? That's pretty fricking weird, but I'd be willing to hear your arguments to support that.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:05 pm to i am dan
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I'm prochoice, but I can't stand the snarky little bitches who are proud to get abortions. I admit that pisses me off.
I'm prochoice, but I call it what it is.
Pro-choice and pro-life are fricking stupid terms.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Which part don’t you agree with? The part about premeditated murder? A child at 38 weeks gestation and a new born are essentially the same thing. Only difference is that one saw the light of day.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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This argument is never effective. We can hash it out...again...if you really want to, but I'd rather not.
Just give me the Reader's digest version. That will suffice. You don't seem to be too busy today. I got time.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:06 pm to STEVED00
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Which part don’t you agree with?
I don't agree with aborting a fetus past about 18-20 weeks, maybe less if I hear a convincing argument that doesn't stem from emotion or religion.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
You like to criticize other people's opinions a lot, which is fine, but could you share any of your own thoughts on the matter?
So there isn't a hard line of when a fetus is considered a human life, and morality surely isn't objective in this reality we find ourselves, so when (if ever) does it become wrong to perform an abortion.
Surely the answer is somewhere between conception and the delivery date, so is it something best analyzed on a case-by-case basis? Not at all? Seems to me there is no easy answer here as hard and fast rules never answer moral questions sufficiently and any legislation on this front is at least in some way grounded in some form of morality.
So there isn't a hard line of when a fetus is considered a human life, and morality surely isn't objective in this reality we find ourselves, so when (if ever) does it become wrong to perform an abortion.
Surely the answer is somewhere between conception and the delivery date, so is it something best analyzed on a case-by-case basis? Not at all? Seems to me there is no easy answer here as hard and fast rules never answer moral questions sufficiently and any legislation on this front is at least in some way grounded in some form of morality.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:08 pm to Homesick Tiger
Public Law 108-212 is what you're after. 
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:08 pm to AggieHank86
quote:just goes right over your pin head
This sort of mindless rant is a big reason that it is difficult to take anyone on your “side” seriously.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Are you saying that in nature, a mother would never harm her offspring?
I was responding to this post. Of course, male and female animals can harm their offspring. Is this some try at a gotcha moment or something?
Do any animals harm their offspring before birth? I don't think so. No other animals can remove a fetus and keep it alive with machines either. Humans are a bit more advanced than other animals in nature, wouldn't you agree?
There are story after story of mothers dumping their babies in dumpsters, drowning them in tubs, running them off cliffs... No, I don't think that is a good thing.
And if you read, I never said I was against abortions. I've said it twice in this thread.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Pro-choice and pro-life are fricking stupid terms.
I guess it's a good thing I didn't conceive those terms or I'd feel like a dumbass then huh.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:10 pm to Ross
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You like to criticize other people's opinions a lot, which is fine, but could you share any of your own thoughts on the matter?
I favor limiting government control as much as possible. This topic isn't exempt from that.
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Surely the answer is somewhere between conception and the delivery date, so is it something best analyzed on a case-by-case basis?
No. I'd leave it to science and knowledge. Unfortunately you have people who are religious about religion and people who are religious about science, so we're unlikely to ever get anywhere.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:10 pm to Ross
quote:unless you are psychotic it's gotta be at some point after he/she can feel pain, dream, survive outside the womb, etc....but this is the one case where the left loves the slippery slope argument
So there isn't a hard line of when a fetus is considered a human life
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't agree with aborting a fetus past about 18-20 weeks, maybe less if I hear a convincing argument that doesn't stem from emotion or religion.
I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control. I'd rather people practice responsibility but we are the human race and we suck at a lot of things.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't agree with aborting a fetus past about 18-20 weeks, maybe less if I hear a convincing argument that doesn't stem from emotion or religion.
What is it based on then? At 18weeks it resembles a person?
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:13 pm to i am dan
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I was responding to this post. Of course, male and female animals can harm their offspring. Is this some try at a gotcha moment or something?
No. This is a teaching moment.
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Do any animals harm their offspring before birth? I don't think so.
Is that a lack of desire, or simply a lack of ability?
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And if you read, I never said I was against abortions. I've said it twice in this thread.
That's great, but it's really not convincing. It's equivalent of saying "It's cool that I want to get rid of the Second Amendment because I own my grandpa's old shotgun."
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:13 pm to i am dan
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I guess it's a good thing I didn't conceive those terms or I'd feel like a dumbass then huh.
Of course not, but you did use it to identify your position on the topic.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:14 pm to i am dan
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I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control.
Neither do I, but I also don't want to see legislation that gives the government control over that decision.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Public Law 108-212 is what you're after.
Again, I think the whole "it's a life only if someone other than the mother kills it" is crap.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 1:15 pm to STEVED00
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What is it based on then? At 18weeks it resembles a person?
I already covered that. Ideally, science and knowledge, and the reasonable application of each.
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