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re: A story of what suicidal empathy gets you
Posted on 1/28/26 at 8:04 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 1/28/26 at 8:04 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:There are plenty of translational choices that do not reflect the full meaning of the Greek. This why pastors typically learn the original languages in seminary, so they can study them and draw out the fuller meaning instead of just reading the English translations and taking them at face value. The word “love” in English can actually have a range of meanings and nuance that what the English word signifies, for instance.
I pointed out that you are full of shite, and that every English biblical translation team disagrees with you. KJV, ESV, NRSV, NASB, NIV, NET, etc etc etc - all those committees of scholars (probably every single one a Christian) all chose the best English word to use based on the Greek word and the context, and they chose “take”.
quote:1) That isn’t true. 2) You are the one who hates the truth the Bible communicates.
Truly pitiful. You hate what the Bible literally says and you reject it. You’re a hypocrite.
quote:They do not.
Luke and Mark contradict. Once you accept that, that’s the first step in actually being able to learn something worthwhile.
You are a fool who has rejected the one true and living God, Father, Son, and Spirit. You don’t care about what the Bible says. You only care about what you can make it say in order to destroy the faith of Christians and make you feel better about your rejection of your creator.
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Posted on 1/28/26 at 8:08 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:If you are not a Christian, I urge you to turn away from your sins against God and to put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgives of your sins today before it is too late.
I love everyone, and at the same time, if you hurt someone I love, I will punish you. Not out of hatred, but because the universe demands it.
Ok, probably also out of hatred, but I will forgive after punishment has been meted out. At some point.
If you are a Christian, I urge you to obey God, not what you think the “universe demands”. The universe is created and impersonal. Just as rocks and trees don’t demand anything, neither can the universe.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 9:56 pm to FooManChoo
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There are plenty of translational choices that do not reflect the full meaning of the Greek.
How about this? Do you read Spanish?
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Y les dijo: «No toméis nada para el camino: ni bastón, ni bolsa, ni pan, ni dinero; ni tengáis dos túnicas cada uno».
Literally: Ya’ll don’t take anything… no staff…
This is simple Greek. It’s the same in Latin… you (all - second person) do not take/bear/carry anything - no staff/cane…. The verb is “tuleritis”. Look it up. And then cry.
You know what, I think we can trust the Greek, Latin, Spanish, and English speaking experts and scholars on this, and not some idiot who puts his own traditions and dogmas at a higher priority than the text of the scriptures.
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The word “love” in English can actually have a range of meanings and nuance that what the English word signifies, for instance.
Your red herring convinces no one. This is about the meaning of the Greek of Luke 9:3, which is universally agreed except for some fringe kooks who have presupposed that since there cannot be a contradiction, then there isn’t.
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They do not.
Mark and Luke absolutely contradict on this simple nearly meaningless taking/not-taking of the staffs, but also have tens I can recall from memory but probably hundreds of contradictions.
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You are a fool who has rejected the one true and living God, Father, Son, and Spirit
And you know this because…???
You remind me of Justin in his first apology.
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And when we say also that the Logos, who is the first-born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed writers ascribed to Jupiter: Mercury, the interpreting Logos and teacher of all; Æsculapius, who, though he was a great physician, was struck by a thunderbolt, and so ascended to heaven; and Bacchus too, after he had been torn limb from limb; and Hercules, when he had committed himself to the flames to escape his toils; and the sons of Leda, and Dioscuri; and Perseus, son of Danae; and Bellerophon, who, though sprung from mortals, rose to heaven on the horse Pegasus. For what shall I say of Ariadne, and those who, like her, have been declared to be set among the stars? And what of the emperors who die among yourselves, whom you deem worthy of deification, and in whose behalf you produce some one who swears he has seen the burning Cæsar rise to heaven from the funeral pyre? And what kind of deeds are recorded of each of these reputed sons of Jupiter, it is needless to tell to those who already know. This only shall be said, that they are written for the advantage and encouragement of youthful scholars; for all reckon it an honourable thing to imitate the gods. But far be such a thought concerning the gods from every well-conditioned soul, as to believe that Jupiter himself, the governor and creator of all things, was both a parricide and the son of a parricide, and that being overcome by the love of base and shameful pleasures, he came in to Ganymede and those many women whom he had violated and that his sons did like actions. But, as we said above, wicked devils perpetrated these things. And we have learned that those only are deified who have lived near to God in holiness and virtue; and we believe that those who live wickedly and do not repent are punished in everlasting fire.
So Justin is writing the emperor and the senate saying that they believe the same sort of shite that the Romans believe… except their god and their version of the Logos is the real, while the other Roman versions are crafted by demons. And they know this the same way you do, Foo. Because they presuppose it and they assert it without evidence and contrary to the evidence and they believe it on emotional grounds because they’ve decided it’s true. Justin totally convinced the Roman senate and Caesar!
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:26 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:No need to use Spanish because that is merely a translation of the Greek.
How about this? Do you read Spanish?
quote:Again, Latin, Spanish, and English are not the issue. The issue is how the author used the Greek word. I went over this with you previously. You are limiting the range of the word because in doing so, you want to create a contradiction that isn’t necessary.
This is simple Greek. It’s the same in Latin… you (all - second person) do not take/bear/carry anything - no staff/cane…. The verb is “tuleritis”. Look it up. And then cry.
You know what, I think we can trust the Greek, Latin, Spanish, and English speaking experts and scholars on this, and not some idiot who puts his own traditions and dogmas at a higher priority than the text of the scriptures.
quote:Explaining how language works with an example is not a red herring.
Your red herring convinces no one. This is about the meaning of the Greek of Luke 9:3, which is universally agreed except for some fringe kooks who have presupposed that since there cannot be a contradiction, then there isn’t.
You are presupposing a contradiction, so therefore you cannot accept any interpretation that doesn’t cause a contradiction.
quote:They do not contradict. You don’t even know what the word means
Mark and Luke absolutely contradict on this simple nearly meaningless taking/not-taking of the staffs, but also have tens I can recall from memory but probably hundreds of contradictions.
quote:God exists as revealed by creation the triune God exists as revealed by the inspired historical record in the Bible.
And you know this because…???
quote:That's nice. You remind me of the Apostle Paul before he was converted; an enemy of Christ.
You remind me of Justin in his first apology.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:30 am to ZIGG
It has to be a DNA issue. They are a major problem every single place they go.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:01 am to FooManChoo
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The issue is how the author used the Greek word
There is no issue. You assert nonsense that isn’t in evidence. You conjure unsupported excuses. It’s pathetic, and if I didn’t “know” you, I’d accuse you of being disingenuous and trolling.
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you want to create a contradiction that isn’t necessary.
I don’t want to create anything and I’m not creating anything, and none of it is necessary. The authors of Mark and Luke did that on their own.
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Explaining how language works with an example is not a red herring.
You didn’t explain shite.
“Words can have different meanings, brah…” is not an explanation. Translators of every indo European language use their version of a simple “take” to translate the Greek of Luke 9:3, which is the same word as in the parallel passage (the one Luke copied) from Mark.
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You are presupposing a contradiction
Nope, I’m just analyzing the evidence and then formulating a conclusion based on and supported by the evidence.
You are the one presupposing that there can not be a contradiction, to the point you have hypnotized yourself into stupidity.
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so therefore you cannot accept any interpretation that doesn’t cause a contradiction.
You can’t accept basic facts.
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God exists as revealed by creation the triune God exists as revealed by the inspired historical record in the Bible.
So… baseless assertions. Just know that this kind of shite isn’t convincing to anyone.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:24 am to Squirrelmeister
You type out so many ideas and words that you don’t understand. Your life has to be exhausting.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:04 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:There is. It’s a basic issue of interpretation. If I say, “that’s sick”, I can mean either something is good or something is bad, depending on the context.
There is no issue.
You are looking at a word in Greek and forcing an interpretation on it and saying it can’t mean anything else than what you think it means. I’m arguing that because it is possible that the author is using a word in a different sense, that he is doing so to avoid a contradiction, and you are saying that it is impossible. Why? Because you presuppose the contradiction.
quote:You keep using the word “evidence” in these discussions but you don’t seem to know what that means. The “evidence” is the word in its fuller context, but what you mean is the word used as you think it should be used. You force your conclusion into the “evidence” and then claim that I’m not looking at the evidence, because the evidence must support your position.
You assert nonsense that isn’t in evidence. You conjure unsupported excuses. It’s pathetic, and if I didn’t “know” you, I’d accuse you of being disingenuous and trolling.
The problem isn’t the evidence but the interpretation of the evidence.
quote:Yes you do. Your words betray you. Every discussion we’ve had on supposed errors in the Bible betrays this. You cherry pick words and interpret them outside of their context in order to make the least generous interpretation that concludes with an error, every time.
I don’t want to create anything and I’m not creating anything, and none of it is necessary. The authors of Mark and Luke did that on their own.
You are looking for contradictions, which is why you keep bringing up passages like this about the staff at seemingly random times. You attack me and my comments about Christianity routinely by throwing these passages into discussions. It is obvious that you have a vested interest in Christianity—and the Bible as its source—being wrong, which is why you keep attacking it.
You are not neutral. You hate God and His Son, Jesus Christ, and you hate all associated with Him.
quote:It actually is an explanation. I’m explaining how language works, since you are making an argument that ignores what I’m saying. I used an example to show how language is used differently, and you called it a red herring.
You didn’t explain shite.
“Words can have different meanings, brah…” is not an explanation.
This is another example where you do not understand logic and logical fallacies, on top of language.
quote:The word can mean to take. The word is not the problem, but how it is being used. Take (what you have) and acquire (what you don’t have) are synonyms and both are valid uses or interpretations of the word “take” depending on how the author uses the word in context.
Translators of every indo European language use their version of a simple “take” to translate the Greek of Luke 9:3, which is the same word as in the parallel passage (the one Luke copied) from Mark.
quote:Your biases are entering onto your interpretation of the evidence, and then you assume your conclusion is the only valid one, which is why you then turn around and accuse any other conclusion of ignoring the evidence. That’s illogical, but it is consistent for you.
Nope, I’m just analyzing the evidence and then formulating a conclusion based on and supported by the evidence.
quote:I presuppose that a contradiction does not exist. You presuppose one does. We both have assumptions, but you are the one pretending you don’t.
You are the one presupposing that there can not be a contradiction, to the point you have hypnotized yourself into stupidity.
quote:Facts are not brute. The issue is not with the facts or evidence, but the interpretation of them. You fail to understand that.
You can’t accept basic facts.
quote:Not baseless at all. You just cannot accept that the evidence supports my claim.
So… baseless assertions. Just know that this kind of shite isn’t convincing to anyone.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 8:08 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:13 am to ZIGG
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all four convicted murderers were pardoned by South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, when they stated that their actions had been politically motivated.
Stuff like this is why Africa will always be lagging behind the rest of the civilized world. It's ingrained in their brain to be blind.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:56 am to FooManChoo
Well I wear a pin to church every Sunday that has a knight with a drawn sword and shield that has Eph 6:11 on the pin. That scripture talks about putting on the armor of God. I wear this as part of the security team at church and I also conceal carry.
I do this to protect my church family from evil that exists in this world. If someone were to come into the church and try to harm anyone there, I would not hesitate to use deadly force to protect my church family.
I do this to protect my church family from evil that exists in this world. If someone were to come into the church and try to harm anyone there, I would not hesitate to use deadly force to protect my church family.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:56 am to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
Retard talk. You and 808.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:15 am to Friscodog
quote:I'm glad you do that. I also carry a firearm to church for self defense. Self defense to protect your life and the lives of other innocents is a good thing. In fact, it is in keeping with the 6th commandment.
Well I wear a pin to church every Sunday that has a knight with a drawn sword and shield that has Eph 6:11 on the pin. That scripture talks about putting on the armor of God. I wear this as part of the security team at church and I also conceal carry.
I do this to protect my church family from evil that exists in this world. If someone were to come into the church and try to harm anyone there, I would not hesitate to use deadly force to protect my church family.
I'm not talking about Christian self defense. I'm talking about this false notion that loving your enemies is weakness, or even sacrificing yourself for others is weakness. I'm also talking about the concept of a "weak" religion being bad is against Christianity, itself.
The Romans mocked Christians because their religion was based on power. The gods were strong warriors in their beliefs. The Romans respected Judaism because the Jews had a fighting spirit and their God conquered His enemies, helping the Jews in battle. Christians taught that God died on a cross to save others, and the Romans thought that was ridiculous and weak. It's why there were quotes of Romans referring to Christianity as being the religion of women and slaves. They saw it as weakness.
I'm saying that empathy--even leading to one's own death--is not necessarily a bad thing, and that Christians need to recognize that Jesus is a strong King, but He is also a gentle servant. Machoism is not Christian, but "[God's] power is made perfect in weakness." (2 Cor. 12:9)
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:17 am to ZIGG
quote:
Her father shook their hands and hired two of the men.
Did he wash their feet as well....?
What a stupid POS....
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:18 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Ever the intellectual
Retard talk. You and 808.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:33 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Ever the intellectual
From the guy who can’t read
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:50 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:I can read just fine. I also can use critical thinking skills
From the guy who can’t read
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:53 pm to Squirrelmeister
You’re flopping about with morphological fallacies thinking that you created literary fire.
You’re a kaffeeklatsch nightmare.
You’re a kaffeeklatsch nightmare.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:56 pm to ZIGG
So political murder is OK in South Africa? Did I read that correctly?
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:20 am to FooManChoo
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I also can use my imagination to introduce concepts and ideas not in evidence in order to deny the obvious and to trick myself into believing a fantasy.
There, I fixed it for ya.
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:38 am to ZIGG
I remember that case well.
Seeing how looney her parents reaction was afterwards went a long way towards explaining her suicidal behavior.
Seeing how looney her parents reaction was afterwards went a long way towards explaining her suicidal behavior.
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