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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:28 pm to m2pro
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:28 pm to m2pro
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Nearly everyone who gets swept up in these debates fears whatever the truth is.
There's not a lot I absolutely don't care about but this is one of those things.
Hey, we are here, life is varied, don't know why, doesn't matter to me.
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Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:28 pm to djmicrobe
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Just look at your hand. The fingers are not all the same length? Why? Each finger is composed of multiple bones. Why not one?
No way something could "mutate" or by chance just grow by its self into a human. No science has ever proven either of these are possible, much less show it has actually happened.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:29 pm to mattloc
If you’re interested in this topic, I suggest you read “Signature in the cell”.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:32 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Want to try that again?
If you don't understand, why try again?
What didn't you understand?
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:39 pm to 90proofprofessional
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no i'm suggesting that the definition you laid down for "theory" tells us in no uncertain terms you don't really grasp the concept here's that notion of yours again: Theory = idea that just hasn’t yet been proven wron
I grasp it just fine. You have yet to tell me how I’m wrong though.
My statement was obvious lacking nuance for the sake of brevity.
I think you’re just trying to be a pretentious D bag so congrats on that success.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:46 pm to Robin Masters
You definitely do not grasp it just fine.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:46 pm to Robin Masters
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My statement was obvious lacking nuance for the sake of brevity.
that'd be an exceptionally kind understatement for calling something like the current state of evolutionary theory an "idea"
as if in well over a century it hasn't been confronted with evidence and other theory and subsequently modified
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yes, you are. I'm clearly laughing at the second part of what I quoted. I love the classics.
No I’m not. Scientific theory is by no means infallible or beyond needing to be changed in light of new facts. Scientific theory is challenged to ensure it hold up under new information. Why challenge it the theory if it is assumed to confirm to new information? Because we are always endeavoring to disprove them so that we may advance our understanding of physical world. Our goal is to try to prove them wrong there for we must always approach them as things we have yet to prove wrong. Maybe we will and maybe we won’t, who knows, but assuming what we think we know is correct is dangerous.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:50 pm to Dale51
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If you don't understand, why try again?
You might get it the second time. Up to you.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:51 pm to Robin Masters
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No I’m not.
Yes, you are.
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Scientific theory is by no means infallible or beyond needing to be changed in light of new facts.
There's a large gap between that and what you said.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:51 pm to 90proofprofessional
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as if in well over a century it hasn't been confronted with evidence and other theory and subsequently modified
Are theories ever altered or disproven? Yes or no?
Case closed.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:55 pm to Robin Masters
quote:Dude - I am no scientist but they are just stringing you along. You probably ought to exit gracefully. Semantics and all but again, they are stringing you along.
Robin Masters
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:55 pm to Robin Masters
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Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:55 pm to Robin Masters
Are you suggesting theories do not change and cannot be modified because that’s what it sounds like you age suggesting. And being rather insulting as you do so.
Of course they do... but they get more accurate over time, not less.
Take the earth... at one point, the prevailing theory was that it was flat, and then the ancient Greeks theorised that it was round. Then scientists developed techniques to measure that it was in fact spherical. Then scientist developed even better tools for measuring it and learned that the earth is an oblate spheroid.
So yes, the theory of evolution has and will change over time... we’ve learned about genetics and microbiology since it was first postulated. We’ll discover additional fossils that will fill in the record. We’ll come to better understand the mechanics of mutation. Etc etc etc. We’ll gain more knowledge and the science will become better. At no point will scientists collectively say “whoops... all the evidence and research that millions of us over the last 2 centuries has discovered and performed is all bunk. You religiousy folks wuz right all along! The Jewish God made everything just like it is now 6,000 years ago. Our bad!”
So unless you’re a functional retard that thinks an all powerful sky chief is so insecure that he’ll burn you in hell for all eternity unless you ignore clearly demonstrable evidence of evolution, get with reality and stop acting like a 6 year old.
Of course they do... but they get more accurate over time, not less.
Take the earth... at one point, the prevailing theory was that it was flat, and then the ancient Greeks theorised that it was round. Then scientists developed techniques to measure that it was in fact spherical. Then scientist developed even better tools for measuring it and learned that the earth is an oblate spheroid.
So yes, the theory of evolution has and will change over time... we’ve learned about genetics and microbiology since it was first postulated. We’ll discover additional fossils that will fill in the record. We’ll come to better understand the mechanics of mutation. Etc etc etc. We’ll gain more knowledge and the science will become better. At no point will scientists collectively say “whoops... all the evidence and research that millions of us over the last 2 centuries has discovered and performed is all bunk. You religiousy folks wuz right all along! The Jewish God made everything just like it is now 6,000 years ago. Our bad!”
So unless you’re a functional retard that thinks an all powerful sky chief is so insecure that he’ll burn you in hell for all eternity unless you ignore clearly demonstrable evidence of evolution, get with reality and stop acting like a 6 year old.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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There's a large gap between that and what you said.
Not really.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:58 pm to dpd901
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So unless you’re a functional retard that thinks an all powerful sky chief is so insecure that he’ll burn you in hell for all eternity unless you ignore clearly demonstrable evidence of evolution, get with reality and stop acting like a 6 year old.
I leave open the possibility for that which can be proven and certainly don’t assume we know all that we will know. I think to do so would be more in line with what a 6 yo believes.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:59 pm to Robin Masters
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Are theories ever altered or disproven? Yes or no?
Case closed.
that has no bearing on how absurd your notion of what constitutes "theory" is
especially evolutionary theory
and getting to the point of the thread, nothing presented by the joke group linked in op is going to result in the modification of evolutionary theory
Posted on 2/10/19 at 10:02 pm to Diamondawg
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Dude - I am no scientist but they are just stringing you along. You probably ought to exit gracefully. Semantics and all but again, they are stringing you along.
They are arguing against the scientific method so I like my odds.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 10:03 pm to mattloc
Beejon
Beejon
Beejon
.....I'm hoping if I say his name 3 times, he will magically reappear in this thread
Beejon
Beejon
.....I'm hoping if I say his name 3 times, he will magically reappear in this thread
Posted on 2/10/19 at 10:05 pm to 90proofprofessional
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and getting to the point of the thread, nothing presented by the joke group linked in op is going to result in the modification of evolutionary theory
It’s simply a group of people saying:
“We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”
It’s not a group that collectively endorses or presents anything other than the above statement.
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