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re: A Question For the "Israel Dragged us in" Crowd
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:05 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:05 am to wackatimesthree
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O.k., but why is this the first thing that MAGA seems to care about that Trump says conflicting things about?
He says conflicting things about most things and MAGA doesn't blink, because they recognize that that's how he communicates and they trust that regardless of what he says in public, he's got things under control behind the scenes (even when there's no reason to conclude that).
Why is this different?
Exaggeration and bombast are one thing.
But claiming last June that Iran's nuclear program was "obliterated", and following it up in July by saying "we wiped out their nuclear possibilities", goes way beyond exaggeration and bombast.
Either we did or we didn't. There is no room for nuance.
7 months later, we are told by Israel that Iran was only weeks, or even days, away from having a nuclear bomb.
Surely you can understand why some people are highly skeptical.
For the record, I support the action taken even if Israel did force our hand, as Rubio stated last week.
We need to get in and out of there as quickly as possible with minimal lost of American lives and cost to American taxpayers.
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Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:13 am to DeathByTossDive225
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Yet we were actually making progress with Iran right up until
they started slaughtering thousands of their citizens for protesting the evil regime they are and demanding change. And right up until our negotiators with them were told they had enough 60% nuclear material to arm 11 nuclear weapons and we could go frick ourselves if we thought they were ever going to surrender it.
Thought I would fix this for you.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:14 am to LegendInMyMind
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The tone changed completely after Donald made that stupid post drawing a redline and promising the Iranian people we would save them.
that son of a bitch........
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:22 am to Knight of Old
Mark Levin, is that you?
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:38 am to jammajin
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…People talk about this like it started a few months ago. The current situation is the result of years of escalation, proxy conflict, and failed diplomacy between Israel, Iran, and the US.
Netanyahu has been framing Iran as an existential threat for decades and pushing for confrontation long before March of this year. Yet we were actually making progress with Iran right up until he was allowed to come and cry to US Congress.
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And right up until our negotiators with them were told they had enough 60% nuclear material to arm 11 nuclear weapons and we could go frick ourselves if we thought they were ever going to surrender it.
It’s you. You’re people lmao. This lack of capacity to connect the recent past to the present is frightening.
Everything I typed occurred prior to everything you typed. That’s the point. This series of escalations was entirely avoidable, even if you buy the WMD line… And especially looking at the timeline of events from 2016 through 2020.
As far as “evil regimes” there are lot of them. Do you think we can bomb them all? Hell we trade with some of them.
This post was edited on 3/18/26 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:41 am to tide06
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The Shias are far more strict in terms of adherence to the Koran which is why you don’t see them flying in hookers from Eastern Europe or driving around London in supercars.
To be sure, there are secular Sunnis. But Sunni Wahhabism is just as fundamentally Islam as are the Shia. Osama bin Laden was Wahhabi.
The Muslim Brotherhood and ISiS are other fundamental groups within the Sunni sect.
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What we’re dealing with are like the super Islam group in Iran who hate the Sunnis almost as much as they hate the Jews and Christians.
Shia hate the Sunnis because they control Mecca.
They don't hate the Jews per se. They hate the state of Israel because it "occupies" the site of the Dome of the Rock / Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
They don't hate Christians either. They hate America for supporting the state of Israel and the Shah, who was a brutal dictator.
Under Sharia, Jews and Christians are to be respected for their beliefs and are required to pay a special tax to the Caliph. They are treated as 2nd class citizens, but not "hated".
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:42 am to AUstar
Sounds like France’s problem, tbh.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:52 am to DeathByTossDive225
"The current situation is the result of years of escalation, proxy conflict, and failed diplomacy between Israel, Iran, and the US."
this is what you typed. You now want to talk about what you are saying is before what I am saying as though what you said above started in 2016 to 2020 when you want to talk about.
what you typed dates back to at least 1979 if not WW2 or before.
There is failed diplomacy because you are dealing with a evil and dishonest regime who's stated mission is the elimination from the earth of the other 2 countries you list.
There are other evil regimes. Some of which we trade with.
If other evil regimes who's stated purpose is to wipe the US and Isreal off the face of the earth tell the US and Israel in the middle of negotiations that they now have enought nuclear material to build 11 bombs and begin to carry out their stated purpose I think Israel and the US should also act accordingly as they did here. If the same regime is also the worldwide leading active sponsor of terror, is destabalizing their own region and is slaughtering their citizens I think we should factor those things in as well.
You want to go back and talk about the history you want to talk about. In the present Iran presents an imminent threat. While you're talking about history they will act on that imminent threat and then you will stand around with your stick in your hand re-writing present history by questioning why OMB didn't do anything.
Leaders lead. They make tough decisions on behalf of the world. Including those who need protection but are too stupid or weak kneed to recognize the imminent danger they are in.
You appear to be one of these people
this is what you typed. You now want to talk about what you are saying is before what I am saying as though what you said above started in 2016 to 2020 when you want to talk about.
what you typed dates back to at least 1979 if not WW2 or before.
There is failed diplomacy because you are dealing with a evil and dishonest regime who's stated mission is the elimination from the earth of the other 2 countries you list.
There are other evil regimes. Some of which we trade with.
If other evil regimes who's stated purpose is to wipe the US and Isreal off the face of the earth tell the US and Israel in the middle of negotiations that they now have enought nuclear material to build 11 bombs and begin to carry out their stated purpose I think Israel and the US should also act accordingly as they did here. If the same regime is also the worldwide leading active sponsor of terror, is destabalizing their own region and is slaughtering their citizens I think we should factor those things in as well.
You want to go back and talk about the history you want to talk about. In the present Iran presents an imminent threat. While you're talking about history they will act on that imminent threat and then you will stand around with your stick in your hand re-writing present history by questioning why OMB didn't do anything.
Leaders lead. They make tough decisions on behalf of the world. Including those who need protection but are too stupid or weak kneed to recognize the imminent danger they are in.
You appear to be one of these people
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:53 am to TulsaSooner78
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But claiming last June that Iran's nuclear program was "obliterated", and following it up in July by saying "we wiped out their nuclear possibilities", goes way beyond exaggeration and bombast.
No, it's pretty much the definition of it.
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Either we did or we didn't.
Either foreign exporters pay for tariffs or they don't (they don't). Was Trump lying about that too? Or was that exaggeration and bombast?
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:58 am to jammajin
Eritrea and North Korea are both blatantly evil regimes, but we’re not bombing them, now are we?
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:06 am to kingbob
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Eritrea and North Korea are both blatantly evil regimes, but we’re not bombing them, now are we?
have they told us during active negotiations about their nuclear capabilites that they have accumulated enough 60% enriched material to produce 11 nuclear bombs and that we can go frick ourselves if we think they will give that up through negotiations?
do they have as part of the stated charter of their country the elimination of the US and/or Israel?
are they actively sponsoring terror throughout the world and within their region?
are they actively slaughtering thousands of their citizens for protesting?
all of these issues would go into the imminent threat model that would help to decide your quesiton.
Your question is simplistic and intended to be a gotcha question. I don't know whether you are as simplistic as your question.
If you are as simplistic as you appear to be then my answer is :
No, with the countries you list and with Iran we should just send them a few more plane loads of cash and then have our potato like leader look bleary eyed into a camera and faced with their imminent threat say
"don't, don't, don't"
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:08 am to jammajin
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You now want to talk… as though what you said above started in 2016 to 2020 when you want to talk about.
First of all, “especially if you look at the timeline from 2016-2020” is not the same as saying “started in 2016”.
It’s still fair to point out that most people would be happy if we were anywhere close to where we were with Iran in 2017. And that Netanyahu was heavily involved with things going downhill from there because he really didn’t like the idea of Iran / US / EU / Russia and others coming to terms.
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…dates back to at least 1979 if not WW2 or before.
How far back do you want to go?
Operation Ajax & backing the Shah?
Iran-contra & secretly selling weapons / using proceeds to fund rebels?
Iran-Iraq War & building up Hussein?
This post was edited on 3/18/26 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:20 am to wackatimesthree
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Either foreign exporters pay for tariffs or they don't (they don't). Was Trump lying about that too? Or was that exaggeration and bombast?
So is there anything in your mind that Trump says that we can trust, or does he lie about everything?
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:24 am to jammajin
North Korea definitely has nukes 
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:29 am to kingbob
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North Korea definitely has nukes
If they do, they are more likely to blow themselves up than anyone else.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:48 am to TulsaSooner78
Or they’ll blow up South Korea or Japan.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:02 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Normally someone would write "link". But you can find whatever you want your answer to be on the internet.
It's been pretty thoroughly debunked.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:34 pm to wackatimesthree
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Why is this different?
because he did not say it alone, the entire administration and Pentagon said it.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 1:38 pm to AUstar
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Just asking
Sorry guy, but I don't do hypotheticals
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