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re: A list of the 54 Texas Democrats who shot down citizen-only voting rights
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:06 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:06 pm to AggieHank86
You didnt respond to this part of the question? Reason why?
So do tourists and anyone else traveling through. I should get voting rights in every place I've paid sales tax over the last year?
So do tourists and anyone else traveling through. I should get voting rights in every place I've paid sales tax over the last year?
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:07 pm to CouldCareLess
And can you vote in more than one locale?
Can I be registered to vote in multiple cities where I own property?
Can I be registered to vote in multiple cities where I own property?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:09 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
And can you vote in more than one locale?
Can I be registered to vote in multiple cities where I own property?
If you're a Dem, go for it!
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:10 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:You THINK you are saying something intelligent, but all you are doing is IGNORING the language of the Constitution, in favor of what you think it SHOULD say.
ABearsFanNMS
if you think it shouldn’t be important maybe you should go try and vote is Mexico’s, Canada’s, Japan’s, India’s UK’s etc…etc…etc…elections and see if your ballot gets counted.
How Leftist of you.
Newsflash: The US Constitution does not govern in Mexico or Canada or Japan or India. Hope this helps.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:The concept of statutory ambiguity is. I have no interest in trying to explain it to someone with no desire to learn.
CONLAW101 my friend.quote:
This isn't an answer.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:16 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
You THINK you are saying something intelligent, but all you are doing is IGNORING the language of the Constitution, in favor of what you think it SHOULD say.
How Leftist of you.
Newsflash: The US Constitution does not govern in Mexico or Canada or Japan or India. Hope this helps.
Shut it down, loser.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:17 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Currently? no
Can I be registered to vote in multiple cities where I own property?
But it is not unreasonable to think that one should have a say in those jurisdictions where one pays taxes.
Yes, the logistics could get complicated.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:21 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Where have I argued that? I have said that the Constitution does not prohibit states from allowing legal residents to vote, and I have asked for a logical argument as to why states should not be allowed to do so. Do you understand the difference?
It seems to me that you are the one having a hard time distinguishing the differences. Why would The Constitution have any bearing on local matters? Are you inferring that each and every state constitution has the same requirements for local elections?
Your entire premise is tired and weak; belaboring the semantics of citizen and permanent resident while completely ignoring the fact that both federal & state elections are administered by the local community. You know very well that the reason for requiring citizenship or “permanent status” by the State is not for the local elections…it’s for the state and federal elections.
The logical response to locals allowing “anyone with a heartbeat” to vote would be to remove that locality’s ability to administer state and federal elections. Then you will be back on here claiming that the state is disenfranchising local voters.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:23 pm to AggieHank86
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The concept of statutory ambiguity is. I have no interest in trying to explain it to someone with no desire to learn.
I understand the concept. It is for the courts the clear up any ambiguity that exists. The Supreme Court has not addressed the issue since 1898 United States v. Wong Kim Ark in what many people believe is a flawed ruling.
I think it should be challenged and addressed by the court.
Note: I'm unsure why you think you have knowledge that no one else has. I have read extensively on this topic.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:25 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Currently? no
But it is not unreasonable to think that one should have a say in those jurisdictions where one pays taxes.
Yes, the logistics could get complicated.
The slippery slope fallacy is, indeed, not a fallacy.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:26 pm to AggieHank86
Why aren’t these “permanent” residents citizens?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:28 pm to Marshhen
quote:Good Lord. Have you ever READ the Constitution? It tells the states SPECIFICALLY that they cannot deny the franchise in their elections to 180yos, to women or to Blacks (for example). It contains no parallel provisions regarding citizenship.
Why would The Constitution have any bearing on local matters?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:28 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
But it is not unreasonable to think that one should have a say in those jurisdictions where one pays taxes.
Yes, the logistics could get complicated.
Democrats have scraped the bottom of the bowl coming up with this.
I disagree with you saying that one has a say to vote multiple times in multiple states, just because you own a piece of property there. This should not happen. Only the residence you currently live in for the past calendar year.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:34 pm to NCIS_76
quote:You think that only Dems might have concerns about “taxation without representation?”. OKquote:Democrats have scraped the bottom of the bowl coming up with this.
it is not unreasonable to think that one should have a say in those jurisdictions where one pays taxes.
quote:Like everyone else, you have shared your opinion without sharing its basis. “I think only blondes should vote.” OK. Why?
I disagree with you saying that one has a say to vote multiple times in multiple states, just because you own a piece of property there. This should not happen. Only the residence you currently live in for the past calendar year.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:37 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Good Lord. Have you ever READ the Constitution? It tells the states SPECIFICALLY that they cannot deny the franchise in their elections to 180yos, to women or to Blacks (for example). It contains no parallel provisions regarding citizenship.
I have read it. Again, you answered your own question … it does not explicitly say that State’s cannot deny specific voting right besides those protected classes. Which means….that States have the right to require citizenship or permanent residency to vote.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:40 pm to Marshhen
quote:It is like talking to a fricking fence post.
that States have the right to require citizenship or permanent residency to vote.
Of COURSE States have that right. At no point have I argued otherwise. My POINTis that nothing in the Constitution PROHIBITS them from ALLOWING non-citizens to vote in local elections.
JFC
You have REPEATEDLY attributed to me positions that I have not taken. Are you illiterate or disingenuous? Those seem to be the only two options.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:42 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
My POINTis that nothing in the Constitution PROHIBITS them from ALLOWING non-citizens to vote in local elections.
There are millions of things they are not prohibited from doing. The lack of a prohibition is meaningless and does not grant the idea an ounce of credibility.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:52 pm to AggieHank86
You have just said that you should get a vote in which people own property in multiple states that, in this case would be many states because you actually have a piece of land in Georgia but actually live in Texas to where you can cast a vote just because you have a residency in another state? Is that not voting twice or multiples of times? Bet you, that is what they are doing also with democrats voting.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:54 pm to goatmilker
quote:
You are smart enough
You sure?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:57 pm to AggieHank86
They shouldn't for quite a few reasons, here's some of mine:
a. It dilutes the value of citizenship. Lots to expand in that statement:
-such as devaluating the rights of natural or naturalized citizens
-or helps to normalize illegal immigration which we are already struggling with
-and also allows hostile enemies a chance to easily enter our systems and disrupt it
b. By allowing the above, it also invites wholesale suppression of citizens' voices over the long term. By injecting alternate values of civilization into our culture, we eventually lose our own (we're seeing the results of this now even by natural citizens' externally-influenced minds). You may not like this, or you may argue our culture NEEDS changing, but I do not - and I certainly do not want it influenced by people who have the rights we have because millions died to defend this country.
You may not like my answers or reasons, but that is WHY I oppose it.
a. It dilutes the value of citizenship. Lots to expand in that statement:
-such as devaluating the rights of natural or naturalized citizens
-or helps to normalize illegal immigration which we are already struggling with
-and also allows hostile enemies a chance to easily enter our systems and disrupt it
b. By allowing the above, it also invites wholesale suppression of citizens' voices over the long term. By injecting alternate values of civilization into our culture, we eventually lose our own (we're seeing the results of this now even by natural citizens' externally-influenced minds). You may not like this, or you may argue our culture NEEDS changing, but I do not - and I certainly do not want it influenced by people who have the rights we have because millions died to defend this country.
You may not like my answers or reasons, but that is WHY I oppose it.
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