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Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:59 pm to
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:59 pm to
I’ll watch as I ETA: “go to” sleep.

But this does kinda go back to my point about questions being raised.

Wtf was the CIA doing?
Where was their oversight?
What has changed?

This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71656 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

The FBI didn’t stop them.


Already addressed.

quote:

They were able to steal a plane with a knife. 

They had the ability to fly a commercial airliner into the WTC and pentagon without getting shot out of the sky.


And?
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
2044 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:02 pm to
I find it to be a set of nearly unfathomable circumstances that couldn’t have happened without corruption
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:04 pm to
quote:

Wtf was the CIA doing?


Pursuing an agenda.

It’s likely (though they won’t admit it), that they had contacted some of the terrorists directly about being double agents and thought that they were going to be successful in recruiting them right up until the moment they found out who flew those planes into the towers.
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
2044 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:05 pm to
With that buckeye go eat a bag of dicks - you are not offering anything. Hell your answering everything I ask with a question even when I explicitly state I don’t have the answers.
I’m not positing any theory and I’m not asking rhetorical questions.
I have issues with the case presented by the government and MSM.

I’m asking for clarity.
You are being a dickhead liberal assuming my position and being automatically contrarian.

Gfy
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
2044 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:06 pm to
The best part is we don’t even know who they were/are
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
2044 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:12 pm to
Thanks for the cliffs man I have trouble with Hulu in Canada but I have it bookmarked so I can find a way to get it
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71656 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

I find it


This doesn't mean anything. You've repeatedly shown that you don't really know much of anything, aside from regurgitating bullshite from the conspiracy circles.
Posted by OG Supreme
Member since Aug 2018
366 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:16 pm to
quote:


I have done the work. I've chased down most of the tales you folks spin, and they end in the same places:
- speculation
- wild speculation
- agenda-driven, dubious sources
- outright lies
- misunderstanding of fire, civil engineering, aviation, etc.


You haven't though and I know this based on what you're saying.

I know this because I've been at your level. I know the scope you're assessing.

To put it as douchie as possible: you just don't know what you don't know. You're also likely un-learned on the many things that orbit this topic that aren't directly a part of the 9/11 event.

I'm not here to go into detailed and major debates on this. The burden is on me to present everything, which is more taxing than just dismissing everything with ease and no heavy lifting. It's also basically a foreign language because the reference points are completely different between you and I.

'Believing' in this stuff is perceived as an identity, same as being a republican or democrat or muslim or christian. People don't switch political or religious allegiance because of an online forum debate, they generally counter with the offsetting belief system of their own - which is the Hegelian Intellectual Trap.

People argue for/against all things instead of truly aiming to understand and grow knowledge. It's like a leprosy, once it's there it's really hard to get people out of that wavelength. It's a totally different dance in the mind and heart to seek truth and understanding instead of defending or pushing a position.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71656 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:18 pm to
quote:

you are not offering anything.


Neither are you. You can't even bother asking useful questions. If you want better answers, ask better questions.

quote:

liberal

quote:

assuming my position




Amazing.

quote:

contrarian


Enough is enough. Whose alter are you?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

which is the Hegelian Intellectual Trap.


You seriously need to drop your constant references to Hegel. And you also need to throw away whatever cereal box on which you read an exposition of his thoughts. You haven’t a clue about any of Hegel’s ideas.
Posted by OG Supreme
Member since Aug 2018
366 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:47 pm to
Thesis vs anti-thesis = tension between the two

For vs against kills thought.

Simone Weil, one of my very favorites, wrote this in the early 1940s. It is perfection.

“Nearly everywhere – often even when dealing with purely technical problems – instead of thinking, one merely takes sides: for or against. Such a choice replaces the activity of the mind. This is an intellectual leprosy; it originated in the political world and then spread through the land, contaminating all forms of thinking. This leprosy is killing us; it is doubtful whether it can be cured without first starting with the abolition of all political parties.”
Simone Weil, On the Abolition of All Political Parties
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 11:49 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:54 pm to
quote:

Thesis vs anti-thesis = tension between the two


And what results from a dialectic?
You should stop while you’re just miles behind.
Posted by OG Supreme
Member since Aug 2018
366 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:59 pm to
Remove your trigger-phrase from my post and respond, if you'd like.

It's irrelevant to the message in this series of posts.



Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 9/12/18 at 12:18 am to
That was pretty good lol
Posted by Bengalbio
Tampa, FL
Member since Feb 2017
1415 posts
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:05 am to
I'm curious, why does this idea of a lost $2.3 trillion persist?

It seems ridiculously stupid. Essentially, many years of the military budget or a sum greater than the entire fed budget (2000) would have disappeared. For what? Was this paid to blow up the towers?

Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
7855 posts
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:34 am to
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You haven't though and I know this based on what you're saying.

You know nothing of what I know.

Perhaps the worst part of what you sell, is that you give those evil murderers cover. You insult their victims with the loosely connected drivel of your beliefs, because you know so much and we are sheep.

You give a pass to men who sat in an airport waiting area and saw mothers holding their babies, men calling their wives to say they love them, families excited to travel to the west coast, all of these people whose lives were soon to be in their hands... and they still did what they did.

Not to excuse the 2,000+ sightless murders they committed, but I wonder sometimes what was more evil...
- slitting the throat of a female flight attendant
- allowing a mother and baby to board and still doing it

Those men are evil, and history knows it, and you give them a pass.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:01 am to
The truthers see our government as inherently evil. They also simultaneously do not see Islamfascist terror as evil. It’s an amazing worldview. But that’s the majority of them.
Posted by Pdubntrub
Member since Jan 2018
1779 posts
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:38 am to
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The truthers see our government as inherently evil

Building 7 fell at free fall speed. This is the definition of free fall speed: A free falling object is an object that is falling under the sole influence of gravity. Any object that is being acted upon only by the force of gravity is said to be in a state of free fall. NIST admits the building fell at free fall so that part is not up for debate. In order for a building to fall at free fall speed it can't have any energy below it, a rock falls at free fall speed until it hits something. That means that all 80 structural steel columns on EVERY FLOOR gave way simulataneously. Why would the structural steel columns on floors or in areas that weren't on fire fail at the exact same time as the columns in the heat of the flame? This isn't a conspiracy this is applying the laws of physics to Building 7.
Newton's Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body. In other words the entire building failed at the same time or it would not have been in free fall
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:49 am to
Did you ever use the phrase “free-fall speed” prior to 2001?

Are you a physicist or engineer?
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