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re: 54 years ago today, JFK was murdered. RIP Mr. President.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:58 am to DelU249
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:58 am to DelU249
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it's not a matter of fact as people (and people in this thread) treat it...and it's actually not even close to being that
Not even close...
So far, other than a bunch of authors selling books with wild speculation, the CT'ers haven't come close to proving a conspiracy.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:00 pm to TigersFan64
Well, that, I guess and the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:12 pm to TigersFan64
No they haven’t. Those things are nuts, but to believe something else may explain things or further explain things isn’t crazy nor is the simple belief that someone was behind Oswald because he had contact directly and indirectly with various organizations that wouldn’t broadcast any involvement
Again, I lean your way for all of the same reasons but I’m not as certain nor can I be
It is treated as a matter of fact when it is not.
Again, I lean your way for all of the same reasons but I’m not as certain nor can I be
It is treated as a matter of fact when it is not.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:13 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Not completely accurate - JFK refused to provide the air cover that was critical mission success
The invasion was a complete failure at that point, and sending in American air cover (which would have likely touched off a war between the USSR and U.S.) was totally pointless. The landing force had roughly the equivalent of a reinforced battalion. The major assertion of the CIA and Joint Chiefs that led them to tell Kennedy that Bay of Pigs would work was that the people were going to "rise up" and overthrow Castro. It did not happen, and the landing was a failure from that point. The fact the CIA failed to tell Kennedy was that Castro was FAR from unpopular in Cuba at that time. And the CIA completely botched the landing zone anyway. It was completely cut off from contact from the locals as it was in the middle of a swamp far away from any real population center. The Joint Chiefs had assured Kennedy that the landing was going to be a complete success, so he gave in and let them try it. The first inkling he had of its failure was soon after the landing, which was a total debacle. Kennedy then had a choice of possibly touching off a nuclear war with the Soviets or cutting his losses. Thankfully, he chose the more prudent course of action. The Bay of Pigs debacle is totally on the CIA. It was very poorly planned and executed and was based on very dubious intelligence and wishful thinking.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:15 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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administration butchered the Bay of Pigs Invasion
You can blame the CIA for that debacle. The success of the mission relied on the lie that Castro was very unpopular and the people would rise up and overthrow him upon news of the landing. Nothing of the sort happened, in fact, the people quickly rallied around Castro and the military forces sent to repel the landing.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:16 pm to therick711
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There is evidence of a conspiracy.
Some people also assert that there's evidence of UFO's. I don't believe that either.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:23 pm to TigersFan64
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the CT'ers haven't come close to proving a conspiracy.
They all write crazy shite but they string out nutty conspiracies from factual information that drives suspicion. If the mafia or a foreign entity were involved they would probably wouldn’t leave a whole lot to find. Plausible deniability, that doesn’t support either conclusion. I say that to demonstrate there isn’t any conclusion. Though the lone wolf is logically sound, based on evidence but let’s say the mafia did have him clipped, would that change those dynamics. Made guys in the 60s wouldn’t give the open and thorough accounts that oswald’s brother, wife and associates have given
There’s a ground between “lone wolf, slam dunk” and bat shite conspiracy theories.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:26 pm to DelU249
I was in the sixth grade. Got to see my first live murder on tv thanks to Ruby.
I just threw this in here.
I just threw this in here.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:30 pm to TigersFan64
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Some people also assert that there's evidence of UFO's. I don't believe that either.
That's your right. That particular example is a false equivalence, though. You can believe, as I do, that Oswald was the lone gunman and acted in concert with or on behalf of others.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:23 pm to deltaland
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closest we've come in American history to ending the Federal Reserve.
Which is why
quote:JFK was murdered
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:26 pm to The Cool No 9
quote:He made the ultimate mistake of believing that the President has the power in this country.
He wasn’t the average democrat then.. Woodrow Wilson set up the federal reserve and JFK wanted to end it?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Oswald acted alone
No, everyone knows about the second gunman on the grassy knoll. They talked about it so much that it has to be true.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:36 pm to TigersFan64
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retired rightwing general Edwin Walker.
Got caught soliciting a male undercover Dallas cop in 1976 at Robert E Lee Park (just down Turtle Creek from his house, site of recent statue fracas).
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