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re: 2016 Non-Trump voters- who is in now?
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:12 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:12 pm to OMLandshark
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Why? You don’t think people weren’t pissed at Whitmer over this? I think that puts people on Trump’s side. #HeilWhitmer
Wayne County and Detroit man.
It's all about the minority turnout there and it dropped enough in 2016 that provided an opening for the insane turnout from the white working class and rural areas to help Trump squeak by in Michigan by a point.
Democrats won't be caught off guard again and they will do everything they can to pump up black turnout.
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:12 pm to Sentrius
People are lying to pollsters. Unless you want to burn this country to the ground or have complete TDS, I can not imagine you want these people taking power at this point when you can see what is going on in Atlanta, Minneapolis, NYC, LA, and Seattle. They are not to be trusted with power.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:14 pm to Sentrius
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One concerning trend in polls is that Trump is bleeding white voters and seniors and that is not enough to make it up with hispanics. And that is a big problem in the rust belt states where there is not enough hispanics.
Rallies and more outreach to them should take care of this problem with white voters and seniors.
I agree. I think with the seniors and as the protest and civil unrest continues the seniors will inevidably come back to trump.
His messaging has to be key and different this time a round though. He needs to blame all of what's happening on the left and that it will continue with Biden. The seniors will want security and safety like they always do in the end.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:14 pm to Sentrius
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Democrats won't be caught off guard again and they will do everything they can to pump up black turnout.
But what if the 30% black approval rating of Trump is actually true? It will certainly be true if he ends the War on Drugs in the next few months. Trump nationally legalizes weed, there’s no remote chance that Biden gets Michigan.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:17 pm to OMLandshark
I was not a trump voter in 2016 (Castle and don’t regret it one bit) but Kav and the leftist shift of the democrats has been too much.
I have a lot of complaints about Trump in quarter 2 of 2020... he’s fumbled a lot and has a lot of self inflicted injuries but other than the N bomb tape, shooting somebody in Times Square, or it coming out that he’s switching to pro choice, I just can’t see a scenario where I don’t vote for him.
Biden was the most palatable Democrat and I couldn’t stomach thinking about voting for him now.
I have a lot of complaints about Trump in quarter 2 of 2020... he’s fumbled a lot and has a lot of self inflicted injuries but other than the N bomb tape, shooting somebody in Times Square, or it coming out that he’s switching to pro choice, I just can’t see a scenario where I don’t vote for him.
Biden was the most palatable Democrat and I couldn’t stomach thinking about voting for him now.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:18 pm to OMLandshark
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People are lying to pollsters. Unless you want to burn this country to the ground or have complete TDS, I can not imagine you want these people taking power at this point when you can see what is going on in Atlanta, Minneapolis, NYC, LA, and Seattle. They are not to be trusted with power.
I can agree with but I still want to see national polling get within 3-5 points and that is the margin of error and Trump has an excellent chance to win in that scenario.
IIRC, Trump was down an average 3 points in national polls on 11/7/16 and that was enough to win and Hillary ended up winning the popular vote by 3 points.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:18 pm to Magician2
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He isn't doing well with white women but the thing is he doesn't have to go campaigning like crazy in all the states.
You know what white women like less than Trump? Rioting in the streets, their businesses going under, and defunding of police. The Democrats are playing with fire when it comes to suburban women.
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I'm not sure how it even will work out if the governors publicly say no. Does trump find a town or city run by a red mayor? Can he find a venue large enough that won't cave into him having the rally?
Trump shouldn’t have that hard of a time finding a Republican mayor that will defy the governor’s order and be able to do a rally.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:18 pm to OMLandshark
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But what if the 30% black approval rating of Trump is actually true? It will certainly be true if he ends the War on Drugs in the next few months. Trump nationally legalizes weed, there’s no remote chance that Biden gets Michigan.
Lol that isn't even remotely true. Maybe that represented black men (30%) but not overall
He won 17% black men in 2016
2% black women
8% overall
He's not ending the war on drugs man that's a huge Hail Mary and if you're holding on to him doing that then you're going to be disappointed. Even legalizing weed. He's said multiple times he's open to it but it's states rights.
So if you're entire map is based off those things you need to get back to the drawing board without them.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:20 pm to Magician2
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His messaging has to be key and different this time a round though. He needs to blame all of what's happening on the left and that it will continue with Biden. The seniors will want security and safety like they always do in the end.
A coherent health care policy and good messaging on social security and medicaid is needed to get the seniors back in Trump's corner.
Democrats did well in 2018 because of Healthcare. That's a blind spot for Trump and GOP.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:21 pm to Sentrius
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I can agree with but I still want to see national polling get within 3-5 points and that is the margin of error and Trump has an excellent chance to win in that scenario.
In time, Biden will have to seek him out. And once that happens, we will be able to convert the voters to the Dark Side of the Force!
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:21 pm to OMLandshark
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Trump shouldn’t have that hard of a time finding a Republican mayor that will defy the governor’s order and be able to do a rally.
Agree to disagree
They will sue the ever living frick out of anyone and refuse money to the towns/cities.
If that cost them the Governor seat then so be it.
I'm telling you they will do everything to prevent rallies in blue states run by Govs and debates with Joe. Because if trump gets both he legit has a stronger chance of winning.
We willl see it play out. And I'm on your side wanting it to happen but I know the Dems are going to throw the kitchen sink even if it sacrifices some things for him not to win.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:23 pm to OMLandshark
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Trump shouldn’t have that hard of a time finding a Republican mayor that will defy the governor’s order and be able to do a rally.
You still need a large enough venue that's capable of hosting a rally of the size that Trump attracts and there's not many of those around.
And even then, they only go where their data tells them to go and where they need to shore up support or where the democrat is very weak.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:24 pm to Sentrius
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A coherent health care policy and good messaging on social security and medicaid is needed to get the seniors back in Trump's corner.
Democrats did well in 2018 because of Healthcare. That's a blind spot for Trump and GOP.
It is and his team/gop hasn't put shite forward because I feel like it's Obamacare lite and they don't want the scrutiny.
Joe is campaigning on expanding Obamacare and depending on his VP (all of them sans Susan Rice) wanted Medicare for all so trump can hit thaybas well and I hope that in and of itself is enough to campaign on without outlining a plan. Because anything the gop puts forward, that I specifically want, reduction in Medicare is a loser.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:24 pm to Sentrius
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You still need a large enough venue that's capable of hosting a rally of the size that Trump attracts and there's not many of those around.
I have some big fricking fields I have in mind that can do the job.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:26 pm to Magician2
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He won 17% black men in 2016
I learned a while back that Stacey Abrams lost black majority counties in Southern Georgia because she campaigned aggressively against gun ownership.
Exit polls found that 11% of black men rejected her. That made a difference in Kemp squeaking by.
Black men like guns and they are receptive to 2nd amendment messaging.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:33 pm to Sentrius
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I learned a while back that Stacey Abrams lost black majority counties in Southern Georgia because she campaigned aggressively against gun ownership.
Exit polls found that 11% of black men rejected her. That made a difference in Kemp squeaking by.
Black men like guns and they are receptive to 2nd amendment messaging.
It truly all boils down to messaging for trump.
It can't be everything he did in 2016 but good lord Biden and the Dems have given him so many things to attack on. Here are a few.
-Free college
-expansion of obamacare (If they win senate Medicare for all)
-free healthcare for all illegals (que raise hand video)
-lax open borders
-no school choice (winning issue for trump with women)
-roll back tax cuts
-in favor of Green New Deal
-rollback the oil/gas industry (kiss Ohio and west PA goodbye)
-Flip flop on Hyde amendment
-Fever tax cuts $5 trillion for global warming
-Increase dept of Ed spending by 75%
-Assault weapons ban. Buyback or register with government.
-In favor of California AB5 law - very unpopular
-Adding troops in Germany. Against trumps removal
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:37 pm to OMLandshark
quote:You overestimate the average intellect. I know white women that fully advocate for all of these things without the slightest inclination that they might be fricking themselves over and completely removing their own protection. It's all emotion, no brain.
You know what white women like less than Trump? Rioting in the streets, their businesses going under, and defunding of police. The Democrats are playing with fire when it comes to suburban women.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:39 pm to Drewbie
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You overestimate the average intellect. I know white women that fully advocate for all of these things without the slightest inclination that they might be fricking themselves over and completely removing their own protection. It's all emotion, no brain.
I agree but then if you break it down further it's which white woman do you court.
Young and single? No
Married and 35-50 with kids? Yes
-mortgage and school
Married 50+ with kids? Yes
Retirement
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:41 pm to Magician2
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It truly all boils down to messaging for trump.
I agree.
If only the Trump campaign would stop talking abut how awesome and based Joe Biden was in the 1990s and 1980s with being tough on crime and talking mad shite about blacks and indians.
You want as clear a contrast between you and your opponent and mixed messaging of running as the law and order candidate and then talking about how your opponent was too tough on crime in the senate just does not work and does not appeal to anyone.
Democrats don't care about hypocrisy, they care about winning.
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-Free college
-expansion of obamacare (If they win senate Medicare for all)
-free healthcare for all illegals (que raise hand video)
-lax open borders
-no school choice (winning issue for trump with women)
-roll back tax cuts
-in favor of Green New Deal
-rollback the oil/gas industry (kiss Ohio and west PA goodbye)
-Flip flop on Hyde amendment
-Fever tax cuts $5 trillion for global warming
-Increase dept of Ed spending by 75%
-Assault weapons ban. Buyback or register with government.
-In favor of California AB5 law - very unpopular
-Adding troops in Germany. Against trumps removal
Instead of ineffective messaging of trying to paint Biden as the real racist, Trump needs take this and run against the communists that own Biden and will be running his administration.
Those people don't give a shite that Biden was tough on crime because they own him and he will not do a damn thing to stop them.
Paint as clear a contrast between Trump and the communists that own Biden.
Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:43 pm to Sentrius
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Instead of ineffective messaging of trying to paint Biden as the real racist, Trump needs take this and run against the communists that own Biden and will be running his administration.
Those people don't give a shite that Biden was tough on crime because they own him and he will not do a damn thing to stop them.
Paint as clear a contrast between Trump and the communists that own Biden.
And that's why I'm nervous/excited for Saturday
Excited for the hype and the amount of people and the enthusiasm
Nervous because this speech by Stephen Miller has to be spot fricking on. It has to lay out the issues trump plans to campaign on and everything you mentioned.
I hope it's 2 hrs long or even longer
But if it's somehow the same trump rally speeches earlier this year and post presidency I will almost call it for Biden. Because that shite won't cut it.
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