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A failure to protect our rights (FISA)

Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:06 am
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:06 am
But it became clear that the agency was interfering when documents began disappearing from the database in 2010. The CIA apologized and promised not to remove documents again. Then when Senate staffers got their hands on a truly explosive document, a review ordered by then–CIA chief Leon Panetta that supported the Senate committee’s conclusion of “significant CIA wrongdoing,” the agency moved to protect itself, breaching, once again, the supposedly secure computers and removing documents. Yet again, Feinstein didn’t call out the agency for its illegal actions. She went public only upon learning that the CIA had not just broken into the computers again — this time to search the work and internal communications of its overseers — but also had asked the Justice Department to launch a criminal probe into Senate staff.

Last year the FISA court was revealed, thanks to leaks from Edward Snowden, to have signed off on a program that collects records of practically all telephone calls made in the United States, as well as one that scoops up e-mail records. According to the latest story, in 2001 the court issued a ruling, known as the Raw Take order, setting aside rules meant to prevent the NSA from sharing irrelevant personal information about innocent Americans.

President Barack Obama hasn’t seen fit to chastise the CIA for its actions, and it has been reported that the White House blocked Senate access to some 9,000 documents. He has vigorously defended the NSA, often relying on the supposedly rigorous check that Congress and the FISA court provide. In his first remarks about Snowden, Obama said Americans didn’t need to just trust that he was “doing the right thing ... because we’ve got congressional oversight and judicial oversight.” If people can’t trust the president or Congress or federal judges to uphold the law, Obama said, “we’re going to have some problems here.” Unfortunately, these stories show there are definitely some problems here.

The secret court in which the intelligence agencies are almost always the only advocates doesn’t work to hold the spies in check. The court almost always sides with the government; in the last 33 years, it turned down surveillance requests just 0.03 percent of the time. The congressional intelligence committees seem forever behind the curve and intimidated. Yet the American people are told that these two institutions will protect their rights. It’s pretty obvious they won’t.


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This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 10:09 am
Posted by Paluka
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:15 am to
Calling Decatur?

He'll show you the error of your ways by praising the FISA court no matter what you offer him in support of your view. He likes to link all sorts of laws. Legal does NOT mean it is the right thing to do.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 11:24 am
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:16 am to
Decatur the electronic window peeper.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:19 am to
The Justice Department is withholding documents related to the bulk collection of Americans’ data from a transparency lawsuit launched by the American Civil Liberties Union.

US attorney Preet Bharara of the southern district of New York informed the ACLU in a Friday letter that the government would not turn over “certain other” records from a secret surveillance court, which are being “withheld in full” from a Freedom of Information Act suit the civil liberties group filed to shed light on bulk surveillance activities performed under the Patriot Act.

The decision to keep some of the records secret, in the thick of Edward Snowden’s revelations, has raised suspicions within the ACLU that the government continues to hide bulk surveillance activities from the public, despite US president Barack Obama’s Friday concession that controversial National Security Agency programs have “never been subject to vigorous public debate
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:20 am to
The Justice Department on Monday announced that it will permit companies like Google to publish the number of request they receive under a controversial program that forces them to disclose their customers’ information under strict gag orders.

The news could mean the end of a bitter fight between the government and prominent tech companies that has been taking place before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court — a secret spy court that grants NSA surveillance orders. The Justice Department also released a draft order that will result in the dismissal of lawsuits filed by Google, Microsoft, Facebook, LinkedIn and Yahoo. The tech companies offered the following statement:

“We filed our lawsuits because we believe that the public has a right to know about the volume and types of national security requests we receive. We’re pleased the Department of Justice has agreed that we and other providers can disclose this information. While this is a very positive step, we’ll continue to encourage Congress to take additional steps to address all of the reforms we believe are needed.”
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Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:24 am to
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Obama said Americans didn’t need to just trust that he was “doing the right thing ... because we’ve got congressional oversight and judicial oversight.


We have congressional oversight that is being hampered by the illegal removal of documents (and not a single person has mentioned prosecution yet) and judicial oversight that concurs with search requests over 99% of the time. Yes, that's some amazing oversight.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:25 am to
Where are the checks and balances for FISA court?

Feinstein is no better than these clowns for not outting this sooner. She knew what was up long ago, but only when it directly affected her did she act. People can say what they will about Snowden's rationale behind releasing these docs but just think of what has transpired since the release - it's freaking nuts!
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:25 am to
Scary shite.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:35 am to
quote:

Where are the checks and balances for FISA court?

It is FURTHER ORDERED that the government shall make a filing with this Court pursuant to Rule 13(a) of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Rules of Procedure Rules of Procedure”) no later than April 2, 2014. As part of this filing, the government shall explain why it failed to notify this Court of the preservation orders in Jewel and Shubert and of the plaintiffs’ understanding of the scope of those orders, upon learning that plaintiffs’ counsel viewed those orders as applying to the Section 501 telephony metadata at issue in the February 25 Motion. This latest order from Judge Walton shows that the government wants to destroy data that might be used as evidence. There was some back-and-forth previous to this, but the DOJ probably had a good idea what Judge Walton would say back in February when it showed up to ask to hold on to domestic surveillance records indefinitely, deploying civil litigation guidelines and common law requirements as its only rhetorical weapons. Walton refused and the DOJ went happily off to tell plaintiffs that the FISA court had overridden their existing preservation orders. If the plaintiffs hadn’t asked for a temporary restraining order, it might have gotten away with it.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:39 am to
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Calling Decatur?
Hahaha where did he go?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:40 am to
Who didn't see all this shite coming when they [assed the Patriot Act [sic] back in 2001?
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 11:06 am to
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The court almost always sides with the government; in the last 33 years, it turned down surveillance requests just 0.03 percent of the time.
I love that asshat Decatur acts like the FISA court is actually anything other than a rubber stamp. I guess the lawyers working for the intelligence agencies are just soooooo fricking good, they only misinterpret what they're allowed to do .03% of the time. LOL. shite, NO ONE ON THE PLANET meets that kind of standard.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:12 pm to
Redacted hasn't the balls to come in here.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:19 pm to
I just wanted to add my two cents to this whole thing.

Many of us now realize that the government is tracking everything that you do online. Every website you go to, every search you do, every post you make on a message board is scooped up by the NSA.

Also every text message you send and I think every call you make is also collected. And also remember that information about where you cell phone is all day is also collected.

I just wanted to say that since the government is collecting all this information, I want to publicly come out and say I trust them totally.

Obama, since you and your boys are reading this, I back you totally. I trust you with all that information and think you can do no wrong.

And I also wanted to add that if anyone wanted to discuss this in private or through snail mail since that may as of yet not kept safe by having the government protect us by collecting everything sent by that route, I would be happy to do so.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:38 pm to
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Jbird
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:30 pm to
I knew that walking pussy Decatur didn't have the balls to come into this thread what a sad pussy he truly is.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:40 pm to
Yoohoo Rexcatur you walking pussy this thread was built for you.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:42 pm to
I don't understand how we can have secret courts with secret laws and rulings in a free society.
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
84189 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:45 pm to
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I don't understand how we can have secret courts with secret laws and rulings in a free society.
Decatur does but apparently he is too big a mangina to come into thread he doesn't start. It's abhorrent how anyone can support it.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 11:04 pm to
Should I quit posting in the search boxes: "Decatur likes young boys" or "Decatur and pre-teen young men"
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