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Proposed trade

Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:11 pm
Posted by magiLSU
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:11 pm
Team A gets Hernandez, S. Moss, Chris Johnson

Team B gets Vernon Davis, Nicks, James Jones

Opinions?
Posted by Boosh Dag
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:14 pm to
Team A.
Posted by Hank Marducas
Sittin' on the dock of the bay
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

Team A

You really shouldn't have to ask this.
Posted by magiLSU
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:26 pm to
I'm not involved in the trade. Owner A believes it is a fair trade with a slight slant in his direction. It's up for vote, and I wanted to get outside input on the fairness? Team B has the worst league record.
Posted by Hank Marducas
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:27 pm to
So you're suggesting collusion?
ETA: I would. It's not a fair deal.
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 6:29 pm
Posted by magiLSU
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:35 pm to
League with friends. Not jumping to say it's collusion, but it involves an owner that probably invests the least time and effort.
Posted by Hank Marducas
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:41 pm to
Well, the guy with the worst record in the league is giving up two high value players for one. That doesn't sound fishy?
Posted by magiLSU
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 6:47 pm to
Trying to keep my opinion out of the matter, because owner A will likely read this and I don't want have an influence on opinions. Thank you for the input.
Posted by Douglas Quaid
Mars
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:33 pm to
quote:

Team B has the worst league record.


Owner A record is 2-4 and Owner B record is 1-5. Not much discrepancy there...

Team B also has Mendenhall, Turner, and J Stewart at RB. All of which, but Mendy, have more points thus far than CJ. Only because Mendy missed a game.
Posted by magiLSU
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:38 pm to
quote:

I just gotta win man I should have shopped cj around a little bit I seriously didn't think anyone would want him


Quote made by Team B's owner.

Team A's point total - 964.3
Team B's point total - 792.4

Unlucky matchups are the reason for team A's record. He's the 3rd highest scoring team.
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 8:44 pm
Posted by magiLSU
Prairieville
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 11:06 pm to
Have yet to hear anyone view the trade as legit. Coincidence?
Posted by Douglas Quaid
Mars
Member since Mar 2010
4121 posts
Posted on 10/21/11 at 9:19 am to
quote:

Have yet to hear anyone view the trade as legit. Coincidence?


No coincidence here, only apathy. Don't think anyone really gives a shite....well anyone besides you. If the whole story were posted and you actually got responses from posters, you would find that the trade does not warrant a veto.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74455 posts
Posted on 10/21/11 at 9:55 am to
What is Team Bs reasoning?

The TEs are a wash

Nicks is a huge upgrade over Moss considering Washingtons QB situation

And James Jones is waiver fodder. CJ has an easy schedule and is finally in playing shape. His track record speaks for itself.

And there is no real debate here.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/21/11 at 9:58 am to
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This post was edited on 10/21/11 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Tigah32
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/21/11 at 10:14 am to
I would love to be team A
Posted by Douglas Quaid
Mars
Member since Mar 2010
4121 posts
Posted on 10/21/11 at 10:26 am to
Team B has a stockpile of RB's and is desperately looking for an elite WR.

The question is does the trade warrant a veto?
Posted by magiLSU
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
2392 posts
Posted on 10/21/11 at 2:13 pm to
TE's are a wash? If you truly believe that, then I'll play in your league anytime. Hernandez's points per games played (he missed 2 games due to injury) is about 7 points higher. Hernandez's lowest score (in games played) in our PPR league was 10+ points. Vernon has scored below 10 pts. on 3 occasions - including an impressive couple games with 2.8 and 3.8 points. So Hernandez, who has missed a couple games and still outscored Davis, isn't more valuable?

Our league has RB/WR and WR/TE flex positions. In games played, Hernandez has averaged more points than Nicks. Considering the bye week, CJ has averaged more per game than Jones or Davis. Considering the bye week, Moss has averaged more per game than Jones or Davis. See the trend here?

Team B also has Fred Davis on the bench, but trading him would make it more of a wash and therefore less of a raping. A guy looking to upgrade at WR gives away a TE (averages more points per game played than nicks) that can play in the same flex position as a WR. Hell of an upgrade, right?
This post was edited on 10/21/11 at 2:36 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74455 posts
Posted on 10/21/11 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

TE's are a wash? If you truly believe that, then I'll play in your league anytime. Hernandez's points per games played (he missed 2 games due to injury) is about 7 points higher. Hernandez's lowest score (in games played) in our PPR league was 10+ points. Vernon has scored below 10 pts. on 3 occasions - including an impressive couple games with 2.8 and 3.8 points. So Hernandez, who has missed a couple games and still outscored Davis, isn't more valuable?


So now you are averaging based only games played? Nice. Hernandez was reallllly valuable those games he missed.

Not to mention his bothersome knee injury could linger down the line and he's competing with Gronkowski for catches.

quote:

Our league has RB/WR and WR/TE flex positions. In games played, Hernandez has averaged more points than Nicks. Considering the bye week, CJ has averaged more per game than Jones or Davis. Considering the bye week, Moss has averaged more per game than Jones or Davis. See the trend here?


Yes, I see the trend. You don't count injured weeks and bye weeks.

Im guessing Kenny Britt is still your #1 rated receiver because he averaged 30 points the two games he played.

Anyways, I was taking your side Im pretty sure. But your rationale is all kinds of fricked up.
Posted by magiLSU
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
2392 posts
Posted on 10/21/11 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

You don't count injured weeks and bye weeks.


Team A owner originally posted the current point totals in a seperate discussion. I think bye weeks do factor into the discussion for arguing the validity of point total comparisons. Two players on Team B having bye weeks already versus zero players on bye thus far for team A will skew the numbers.

quote:

Hernandez was reallllly valuable those games he missed.


Thus far, he's a safe bet to score double digits in every game he plays. He missed 2 games. Those are known zero's. He can be replaced prior to the game. Vernon has scored less than 4 points in two of his games. Give me the more consistent player in the better pass offense any day.

quote:

Im guessing Kenny Britt is still your #1 rated receiver because he averaged 30 points the two games he played.


He has 'IR' by his name. If he only missed two games and averaged 15 pts per game after returning, then I'm sure he'd still be viewed as the team's #1 WR. If Britt were to have only missed 2 games after averaging 30 in his first couple games, would you trade him for a guy that had the same point total at the time? Would his past performance not warrant consideration in the discussion?
This post was edited on 10/21/11 at 4:05 pm
Posted by Douglas Quaid
Mars
Member since Mar 2010
4121 posts
Posted on 10/21/11 at 3:16 pm to
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