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Zone blocking destroyed LSU Offense
Posted on 12/9/09 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 12/9/09 at 8:41 pm
I think you need a great o-line to have a great offense. See 2007 LSU team for example. While I think that both Crowton and Stud should be fired, I was wondering about the blocking scheme we had this year.
Someone on this board said that we had switched to zone blocking this year. I was under the impression that zone blocking was a main facet of the spread offense. The change in scheme could explain why even our returning starters played poorly this year. Whose idea was it to change to zone blocking? Crowton or Stud?
Someone on this board said that we had switched to zone blocking this year. I was under the impression that zone blocking was a main facet of the spread offense. The change in scheme could explain why even our returning starters played poorly this year. Whose idea was it to change to zone blocking? Crowton or Stud?
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Posted on 12/9/09 at 8:45 pm to south bama tiger
quote:
Whose idea was it to change to zone blocking? Crowton or Stud?
I don't know if that was the problem (haven't studied the blocking schemes for this year compared to years past), but it's obvious something ain't right. A change in scheme does sound like as good a reason as any I've heard.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 8:55 pm to TigerinSoCal
quote:For sure something was "broke" about the ol this year. I wonder if anyone in LSU hats on the sidelines noticed?
A change in scheme does sound like as good a reason as any I've heard.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:13 pm to south bama tiger
i don't know. but what i do know is that our opponents didn't seem to have much problem shaking off our blocks and tackling our guys (mainly in the perimeter where it's easy to see) while our guys couldn't shed their blockers near as well. i think our fundamentals on offense were poor as hell!
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:16 pm to LSU GrandDad
they employed a new blocking scheme called "T-Bob gets pancaked every play" OR "T-Bob runs downfield aimlessly"
something was seriously awry this year.
something was seriously awry this year.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:17 pm to LSU GrandDad
so much for the 'most physical offensive line ever' eh? t-bob and co. got blasted almost every play
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:27 pm to natethegreat
we have some zone blocking, depending on the play. not really different from any other year
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:29 pm to jmitc22
Did you watch any game this year because what you just posted is ignorant? Or is it just you?
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:33 pm to south bama tiger
Actually, I heard the same thing. Crowton changed the blocking scheme to more of a zone blocking scheme to try and fit his helter skelter, spread, option, whatever offense. I read somewhere that the players and Stud hated the change and hate the finesse blocking style.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:35 pm to jmitc22
quote:
they employed a new blocking scheme called "T-Bob gets pancaked every play" OR "T-Bob runs downfield aimlessly"
something was seriously awry this year.
Are you kidding? They did not dominate as many expected, sure. But they weren't dominated either, this crew just turned out to be another above-average line in an above-average SEC.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:39 pm to foshizzle
T-Bob was just another lineman an a failed offensive line. Why single him out? I would love to see you say it to his face. And I am speaking to the one who likes to post negative things about players who bleed purple and gold.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:44 pm to JawjaTigah
maybe they changed it because of personal capabilities or lack of 
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:46 pm to south bama tiger
quote:
I was wondering about the blocking scheme we had this year.
One reason that Searles (spelling?), the former OL Coach at LSU, left was because he and Miles disagreed about switching to Zone Blocking. Miles wanted it. Searles didn't. So Searles goes to Georgia, and Stud comes in as a replacement.
I have not dug up a link, yet, but I remember clearly that was reported, especially at the time Searles was leaving.
So, Zone blocking didn't just show up this year. Now, Zone blocking is used by a lot of NFL teams. I heard commentary a couple of weeks ago watching an NFL game.
The Zone blocking allows the back to "read" the cuts and hit the hole that is open. I know that is a lame description, but it is something like that.
I think something is up with the OLine that goes beyond Coaching (in the traditional sense) and I suspect the blocking scheme is what changed.
Maybe someone can explain zone blocking and contrast that with traditional blocking.
This post was edited on 12/9/09 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:53 pm to RBWilliams8
I didn't see much change scheme wise we still ran inside zone, zone boss, power, iso. All were schemes that we used in 07. hester killed on inside zone. that was our go to running play back then. Hell everybody in the country (everybody!) runs inside zone - even Ga. Tech (zone dive). The big difference was execution.
The biggest change I saw was that we ran a bunch more zone option. that was the slow developing option that everybody hated. JJ didn't seem to see it very well.
Maybe when they said we were going to more zone they meant outside zone (scheme used on zone option) instead of a traditional pin and pull series (basic OL rules - if down block take it if not pull).
Like I said I just thought our execution stunk AND we couldn't/wouldn't get out of a bad play when they crowded the box. we did seem to get a little better at that as the season progressed though.
The biggest change I saw was that we ran a bunch more zone option. that was the slow developing option that everybody hated. JJ didn't seem to see it very well.
Maybe when they said we were going to more zone they meant outside zone (scheme used on zone option) instead of a traditional pin and pull series (basic OL rules - if down block take it if not pull).
Like I said I just thought our execution stunk AND we couldn't/wouldn't get out of a bad play when they crowded the box. we did seem to get a little better at that as the season progressed though.
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:01 pm to pilsnerpusher
again with searles maybe they were talking about outside zone vs. pin and pull.
But we have run inside zone for a long while.
without getting too technical, basically on inside zone the OL power steps at a 45 degree angle playside. on that first step they are able to determine who is in their playside gap. if it is an LB that hasn't filled then they assist on a double with an adjacent lineman until their gap responsibility (the LB) fills or they take the DL to him. RB aiming points and steps vary depending on opinion and whether you are in the gun or under center. if you are under center then basically he chases the inside leg of the playside tackle. the back has 3 basic options depending on the flow of the DL. He can bang it straight ahead, he can bend it behind the first playside DL, or he can cut back if the DL flow is hard and fast. Hester was a great banger and bender. Hope that clarifies inside zone some without getting too technical.
Outside zone is a different animal and some run it but others prefer a pin and pull scheme. some even do both. Hugh Nall under Tuberville did both for example. Ronnie Brown was his zone guy and Cadillac was his pin and pull guy.
But we have run inside zone for a long while.
without getting too technical, basically on inside zone the OL power steps at a 45 degree angle playside. on that first step they are able to determine who is in their playside gap. if it is an LB that hasn't filled then they assist on a double with an adjacent lineman until their gap responsibility (the LB) fills or they take the DL to him. RB aiming points and steps vary depending on opinion and whether you are in the gun or under center. if you are under center then basically he chases the inside leg of the playside tackle. the back has 3 basic options depending on the flow of the DL. He can bang it straight ahead, he can bend it behind the first playside DL, or he can cut back if the DL flow is hard and fast. Hester was a great banger and bender. Hope that clarifies inside zone some without getting too technical.
Outside zone is a different animal and some run it but others prefer a pin and pull scheme. some even do both. Hugh Nall under Tuberville did both for example. Ronnie Brown was his zone guy and Cadillac was his pin and pull guy.
This post was edited on 12/9/09 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:12 pm to pilsnerpusher
Whether the inability of the o-line to control the line of scrimmage consistently was due to personnel or blocking scheme or a combination of both, I do not know. My personal opinion is that LSU did not play its most talented players on the interior of the line. However, I do know that the offensive line problems must be the first priority to get corrected if LSU is to maximize the potential of its skill position players on offense. All talk about what skill position players should play and how those skill position players should be used is moot until LSU figures out a way to control the line. The key to offensive success begins up front.
This post was edited on 12/9/09 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:53 pm to Leonides
Funny I read a couple articles about how great T-Bob played against Alabama, there was no mention of him getting picked up and superplexed in the backfield on every play(like some idiots think). I like it some people here think tbob looks like this on every play owned but nobody has ever been able to show me a video like this T-Bob or this TBob2. Can someone show me a video of him getting pushed on his back and his guy making a play?
This post was edited on 12/10/09 at 12:22 am
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:42 am to Tigerstudent08
T-Bob and hopefully all the line will be better next year. The staff needs to determine who what when and how we will block and where each young man will play. T-Bob probably bleeds more purple and gold than most of us ever thought of bleeding. Hope to see improvement from all areas of the team .
Posted on 12/10/09 at 7:42 am to bigtig
It had nothing to do with scheme,
Tbob and hitt were getting pushed around.+
Tbob and hitt were getting pushed around.+
Posted on 12/10/09 at 8:13 am to Tigerstudent08
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Can someone show me a video of him getting pushed on his back and his guy making a play?
I don;t have the time to do it but....watch the Ole Miss game..the NG or A Gap defender surged up the middle on almost every play.
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