re: Why are hollowpoints banned for use in war?

Yeah that doesn't really give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Does it you?

Quite the opposite actually.

And I hate to sound like a tin foiler, but damn

Touche.

And we should.

I'd rather see one shot kills than risking that guy shooting one of ours because he's just got a hole in him and not massive shock.

My point is this. History repeats itself. And if good people stood up and said the truth when it was inconvenient or unpopular, which means BEFORE shite goes bad, then shite might not go bad so often.

We have a unique system here. You can, at this point, speak your mind. And right now that's more important than at any time in our history since the beginning of the country IMHO. Words are cheap. Nobody gets hurt. Use them. Make these people living in make believe world understand that they are wrong. This is not utopia and it can all come down in an instant. There are so many ways this goes wrong to just blindly believe everything's going to be OK simply because you don't want to believe it can't is simply sheep-think.

Our federal government has overstepped by a long ways at this point and if we don't reign them in now, while we can do it with votes and talk, we will look back on these days and eat our hearts out for the cowards we were.

Bapple I've shot two deer in my life that I attribute their recovery completely to lightweight Nosler Ballistic Tips because the shots were not kill shots, but the damage they caused was so massive the animal was dead on it's feet regardless.

There's two ways to go about killing something instantly and they both end with huge amounts of energy transferred to the target and not wasted on a pass through.

I've seen whitetail's guts turned to gelatinous goo in the stomach cavity where organs that were nowhere near the wound channel simply fell to pieces. And not because of massive wound channel. Now you can do that with a heavy bullet going slow which translates to shitty ballistics, or you can do that with high velocity and lightweight rounds going fast that have a flat trajectory. In my mind, that's a no brainer and it would be impossible to convince me otherwise having actually seen the results.

When you can open up the gut and pour the contents out like jello, you've got something. Yeah there's shreds that you have to pull out, but come on, if it's died on the spot, it died on the spot. And whitetails are pretty damn similar in how they react to bullets as humans are.

I've seen those same shots with heavier rounds result in miles of blood trailing, if you're lucky to have one.

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But if it's some thug or a terrorist, I want ALL of that energy dumped into him or her. No two ways about it.

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I need to get a couple different boxes of hollow pernt .357 rounds to do some testing.

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I've seen whitetail's guts turned to gelatinous goo in the stomach cavity where organs that were nowhere near the wound channel simply fell to pieces. And not because of massive shock. Now you can do that with a heavy bullet going slow which translates to shitty ballistics, or you can do that with high velocity and lightweight rounds going fast that have a flat trajectory. In my mind, that's a no brainer and it would be impossible to convince me otherwise having actually seen the results.

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Why I use Winchester Ballistic Silvertips. Nothing I have ever shot with them has gotten up. As far as the DHS ammo purchases I intend to write Mr Issa and ask him why with all this talk of sequester has congress given tacit approval not only to a DHS purchase of ammunition that would have lasted our soldiers in Iraq 20 years at the height of fighting, but also to the purchase of all those surplus MRAP armored vehicles. The forbes article says that the reasoning is that the purchase was cheap, so they wouldnt have to spend more later. Thats bullshite you dont need 100 years worth of expendatures over five years. Multiply this by the fact that rounds have a shelf life and we do not even know what technology will come along in the future makes the situation at best look wasteful and at worse the government arming itself against the people.

Had to edit that. It was because of massive shock. Not because of massive wound channel.

People don't realize the difference and I've had too much to drink and type faster than I talk.

What ballistic gel doesn't really show is the wave action. The reverse shock wave once it reaches the other side of the animal and comes back is also terribly destructive but not to the level that it shows in ballistic gel.

Granted, the initial shock cone does most of the damage, but once that passes through the reverse compounds on it. It's astonishing to behold. Absolutely shocking to be honest.

hypnos,

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As far as the DHS ammo purchases I intend to write Mr Issa and ask him why with all this talk of sequester has congress given tacit approval not only to a DHS purchase of ammunition that would have lasted our soldiers in Iraq 20 years at the height of fighting, but also to the purchase of all those surplus MRAP armored vehicles.

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Let us know how he responds.

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The forbes article says that the reasoning is that the purchase was cheap, so they wouldnt have to spend more later.

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Sounds like some wives I've heard of when encountering a big sale. "No I guess I didn't need more shoes, but it was a really good price and the 5th pair was free!"