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re: What rifle/pistol round got most popular the fastest?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:55 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:55 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
If only they could turn the splatter shits into a round, imagine how popular of a self defense round that would be.
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Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:58 pm to JAB528
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Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:11 pm to hypnos
Almost correct. The FBI was only testing 9mm and .45. The guy in charge of the testing brought his Delta Elite 10mm just for grins and giggles. It wasn't originally supposed to be involved in the test. They like the ballistics, but as you said they didn't care for the recoil. That's when they decided to get with S & W to try to cut it down to fit the 9mm frame.
Also, Glock came out with a .40 firearm before S & W because they had just developed a new 9mm, and all they had to do was change the barrel and magazine. (Might have been the G20, not real sure of the model.)
Also, Glock came out with a .40 firearm before S & W because they had just developed a new 9mm, and all they had to do was change the barrel and magazine. (Might have been the G20, not real sure of the model.)
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:25 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'd like to see some graphs of ammo sales over the lifespan of these various calibers.
I'd bet you'd see some mind blowing numbers with the .17
The .300 not so much
IMHO, that's the correct answer. The 17 HMR had three advantages to help it's sudden rise and sales: 1. A round that was completely different from anything else in the market at the time. 2. It's a rimfire. Rimfires are MUCH less expensive to shoot, and easier to shoot for lots of folks, than are centerfires. 3. Different segments of the shooting community bought and shot it. While the 300 BO has been extremley popular in the TACTICAL community, there are many more non-tactical shooters out there than tactical shooters. If you ask all the shooters at my work place about the 300 BO, the typical response will be, "What did you say?" Ask them about the 17 HMR and they'll start smiling and say something like, "I really do like mine!" I don't think the number of different platforms a round can be found in plays a significant role.
I'm surprised no one's posted a link yet that shows annual sales of factory rifle/handgun ammo.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:44 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
17 hmr was produced in 2002.
300BLK was introduced in 2011.
The 17 has been around 4 times as long as the 300BLK. Give the 300BLK 9 more years and then let's look at the numbers.
300BLK was introduced in 2011.
The 17 has been around 4 times as long as the 300BLK. Give the 300BLK 9 more years and then let's look at the numbers.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:50 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
I just don't see the .300 getting very popular outside of the tac community. Hunters are generally reluctant to jump on new stuff (.30 TC ring a bell?), varmint and target shooters are happy with what they have, AR guys aren't convinced that it will ever catch up to 5.56 in availability/price.
The military adopting it across the board or something like that would give it the surge it needs to vault up there in sales with the likes of the .17HMR
The military adopting it across the board or something like that would give it the surge it needs to vault up there in sales with the likes of the .17HMR
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:54 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I agree with everything you said but nobody is thinking this about this in terms of age. It's not a most popular contest. It's a how popular compared to how old it is. At least that is how I understood the thread to be. Sure, a lot more people know about the 17 and 44 but look how long they've been around. Now who cares that only the tactical community knows about 300BLK when it's 2 years old.
All this said I now am convinced that 44 mag wins. But I still think people are looking at this wrong.
All this said I now am convinced that 44 mag wins. But I still think people are looking at this wrong.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:57 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
I was looking at it as in which one had the biggest short term surge in sales/popularity from mediocre to world famousness.
I smell what you're stepping in. We aren't looking at it the same.
I smell what you're stepping in. We aren't looking at it the same.
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 2:40 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
quote:I agree with downshift I thought it was about which cartridge went from obscure to household name the fastest.
It's a how popular compared to how old it is.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 3:26 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
You've voiced my thoughts better than I have, Downshift. The use of a cartridgy by the military/law enforcement can make something suddenly very popular that would've struggled on it's own. W/o law enforcement use, would the 40 S&W be as popular as it is? Look how popular the 9mm was before law enforcement all changed from 38 Spec/357 Mag to the "Wundernines." The 223 Remington is a fine cartridge, but the 222 Remington Magnum is actually a slightly better varmint round. The 223 was adopted by the military and became extremely popular. The 222 Remington was not and is basically a dead cartridge.
It'll be really interesting to see if the 300 BO's breakout can be sustained long term. Time will tell.
It'll be really interesting to see if the 300 BO's breakout can be sustained long term. Time will tell.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 4:22 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I think the military would be all over it if they were actually looking for a replacement carbine caliber. Nobody I know in the service has really indicated that though. I can see it catching on with spec ops maybe. From what I know the military is happy with the 5.56 as its standard carbine round.
.300 whisper is so much cooler. I wish it would have caught on
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every time TOTH agrees with me on gun/caliber stuff
.300 whisper is so much cooler. I wish it would have caught on
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Posted on 4/22/13 at 4:34 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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ETA: I do a every time TOTH agrees with me on gun/caliber stuff
You're too funny!
Posted on 4/22/13 at 5:15 pm to 007mag
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I thought it was about which cartridge went from obscure to household name the fastest.
Using this thought process, nix everything that I've said. I was looking at it from a much different point of view. Well, don't nix everything, just most.
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