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re: What is the most rugged rifle besides an AK-47?

Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:02 pm to
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:02 pm to
Describe the accuracy of an AR for me.

What is your budget?
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:07 pm to
It sounds to me like you are crying out for a high-end AK74.
Posted by LSUaFOOL
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:15 pm to
Price really doesn't matter. Just looking for a quality gun that wont give me shite that doesn't have too much recoil for accuracy.

And by accuracy Im looking for something that will allow me to group multiple shots without having to fight the gun.

Posted by braindeadboxer
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:35 pm to
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LSUaFOOL


Oh we all want that perfect combination of a rugged weapon with perfect accuracy, low recoil, low maintenance, cheap to buy, cheap ammo and extreme knockdown power. If you happen to find that holy grail put one on hold for me and I'll be there ASAP to pick it up!

But I hope you find what your looking for, lots of great guns out there. Several excellent ones have already been mentioned here.
Posted by gmrkr5
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:54 pm to
An AK is not something you try to "group" with unless you like the top of a receiver pounding you in the eye socket
Posted by LSUaFOOL
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:05 pm to
No doubt. That's why I don't like the AK....the only thing that draws me to the AK is low maintenance and reliability.


Guess I should have asked if there is an AR that can handle mud, water, sand, and other harsh environments without jamming or other mechanical problems?

What are your top 5 guns that's not an AK?










This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 9:08 pm
Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:14 pm to
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What would ur top 5 guns that's not an AK?


For Accuracy, Durability, Reliability, and a proven record....it sounds like you want a Remington Model 700.


There are not a ton of players in the game you want to join.

AR Platform. Lots of support for it. This is the backbone of the USA Market.

FN-FAL Market. DSARMS.com makes the flagship for this platform. It is a proven South American and African platform. It also shoots a 308 cartridge. You will need to decide how thick you want the receiver to be, there are a lot of BS knockoffs that will screw you.

The HK platform in the G-93 and variants. You can get this in 5.56 and 308. Cetme will make a cheap knockoff.

The Ruger Mini-14: it comes in the AK and AR round. It is an easy to clean, easy to use platform. This is also the same action as::::SA below.

Springfield Armory SOCOM II: shoots the 308

The AK 47 shoots a 7.62 round. But it is what it is. Don't buy one expecting a scalpel. It is a blunt trauma tool.
It also comes in AK74 which is a 5.56 type of round.

The bottom line: Go to a gun range and shoot some. Most people will gravitate to the AR b/c it is a lot of fun to shoot, accurate, and you can put optics and rails on it.
Posted by Big Data
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:20 pm to
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Springfield Armory SOCOM II
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:20 pm to
Difference between AK 74 and AK 47 other than round? Are both built with the same level of reliability.
Posted by NimbleCat
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:34 pm to
I don't know if there are any issues with reliability in the 74s.

I would not own an M4 variant of the AR though. I prefer the Mid Length due to the pressure curve on the gas tube. I don't think the 74 has any issues with the piston system like the shorter ARs do.
Posted by LSUaFOOL
Jackson, La
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:02 pm to
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issues with the piston system like the shorter ARs


Well hell!
SBR Tactical
What's ur opinion on Wilson Combat?

Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 12/18/12 at 12:55 am to
I have a feeling ARs are more reliable than you think and AKs are more accurate than you think.

The thing holding the AK's accuracy back is ammo more than tolerances.

The ak-74 is capable of 1.5" groupings at 100 yards. You can't tell me that's not accurate enough. The 47 can get 2-2.5" groups. The problem is you're likely going to be dealing with russian milsurp ammo which can fluctuate fairly significantly in terms of accuracy.
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