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To use a pistol correctly and safely, how often/much should you use it in practice?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:41 pm
I want to buy a 9mm pistol, take shooting lessons (even though I've shot pistols before), learn how to do maintenance, and become comfortable and proficient with it.
How many hours of lessons and how many rounds of target shooting should be done? I'm just looking for an average. Once initial training is done, how often should I practice?
Thanks.
How many hours of lessons and how many rounds of target shooting should be done? I'm just looking for an average. Once initial training is done, how often should I practice?
Thanks.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:50 pm to toni_the_tigress
1. How many hours of lessons ?? Depends on the instructor and the student. The vast majority of my students only need one lesson.
2. How often should you practice ?? Depends on (a) what level of proficiency you want to achieve and (b) how important it is to you to maintain that level. I try to go at least twice a week (of course my workplace is only about 5 minutes from an indoor range).
2. How often should you practice ?? Depends on (a) what level of proficiency you want to achieve and (b) how important it is to you to maintain that level. I try to go at least twice a week (of course my workplace is only about 5 minutes from an indoor range).
Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:54 pm to dawg23
I have safe places to shoot in the country (safe background). I don't plan on ever using it in defense (who does) but I want to be where using it is embedded in my muscle memory (if that makes sense).
Also, when I go out of state and ride up into the mountains, would I be better off with the pistol or continue to do what I do now which is carry a rifle in a scabbard? I always go with dogs and I don't want to look like I'm paranoid, but if I'm riding by myself I feel like I should have some type of weapon and protection (though the dogs are good for the latter).
Also, when I go out of state and ride up into the mountains, would I be better off with the pistol or continue to do what I do now which is carry a rifle in a scabbard? I always go with dogs and I don't want to look like I'm paranoid, but if I'm riding by myself I feel like I should have some type of weapon and protection (though the dogs are good for the latter).
Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:58 pm to toni_the_tigress
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Also, when I go out of state and ride up into the mountains, would I be better off with the pistol or continue to do what I do now which is carry a rifle in a scabbard? I always go with dogs and I don't want to look like I'm paranoid, but if I'm riding by myself I feel like I should have some type of weapon and protection (though the dogs are good for the latter).
Horseback riding? You could do both the rifle and handgun. Just get a quality OWB holster, or a leg holster for it.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:03 pm to toni_the_tigress
Your question is complex - good news there is a whole subindustry dedicated to the female shooter. You'll have the opportunity to go to all female training events, should you choose and there are entire lines of weapons targeted at the female shooter (but I would eschew these in favor of more mainstream options, unless you just have very small hands and even then...).
But, your broader question - as a rule of thumb, for a complete novice handgun shooter, I would say 750 to 1500 rounds during that initial period is probably about right. I know that isn't inexpensive, but it's one of those ground floor investments. I don't shoot as much as I should, primarily because of convenience and cost, but it's nothing to dump 200 to 300 rounds in a quick 60 to 90 minute session at the range. If you're loaded and prepared in advance, you can easily get through 500 or more rounds during that time.
Also, ideally, you shoot 200 or so rounds, every other month, just to maintain proficiency. At a minimum, I would say quarterly - play and calendar it - make it a hard appointment time.
You can enhance this by doing weekend courses on tactical shooting (again, I've seen all female options if that makes you more comfortable). You'll get real world shooting skills other than just standing at a table and putting holes in targets.
ETA: If money is no object, literally shoot as much as you can as often as you can. Practice off hand shooting. Practice low light shooting. Since you can never fully anticipate what real world situations are going to make you consider lethal force, be as prepared as you can for many of them.
But, your broader question - as a rule of thumb, for a complete novice handgun shooter, I would say 750 to 1500 rounds during that initial period is probably about right. I know that isn't inexpensive, but it's one of those ground floor investments. I don't shoot as much as I should, primarily because of convenience and cost, but it's nothing to dump 200 to 300 rounds in a quick 60 to 90 minute session at the range. If you're loaded and prepared in advance, you can easily get through 500 or more rounds during that time.
Also, ideally, you shoot 200 or so rounds, every other month, just to maintain proficiency. At a minimum, I would say quarterly - play and calendar it - make it a hard appointment time.
You can enhance this by doing weekend courses on tactical shooting (again, I've seen all female options if that makes you more comfortable). You'll get real world shooting skills other than just standing at a table and putting holes in targets.
ETA: If money is no object, literally shoot as much as you can as often as you can. Practice off hand shooting. Practice low light shooting. Since you can never fully anticipate what real world situations are going to make you consider lethal force, be as prepared as you can for many of them.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:17 pm to toni_the_tigress
quote:There are efficient and inefficient ways to handle a pistol. There are also, obviously, safe and unsafe ways to handle one. You need to learn safe, efficient techniques, and then get enough repetitions to embed them.
but I want to be where using it is embedded in my muscle memory (if that makes sense).
A two day "immersion level" class is always a good investment. Google "Tom Givens Rangemaster"
Regular practice will be needed to maintain whatever skill level you achieve.
quote:As was mentioned, there's little reason to view this as an "either or" proposition.
Also, when I go out of state and ride up into the mountains, would I be better off with the pistol or continue to do what I do now which is carry a rifle in a scabbard?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:21 pm to Ace Midnight
Thanks!
I'm not scared and I ride good horses. But, I've seen a Mountain Lion recently while riding (and I've seen black bears). I've also seen hogs locally. I'm not scared of them, but if one became aggressive, I'd like to think I could handle it.
I probably need to go hog hunting again. I have only hunted with firearms a few times but I know there's a big difference between shooting a target and shooting something that moves and is wild.
I'm not scared and I ride good horses. But, I've seen a Mountain Lion recently while riding (and I've seen black bears). I've also seen hogs locally. I'm not scared of them, but if one became aggressive, I'd like to think I could handle it.
I probably need to go hog hunting again. I have only hunted with firearms a few times but I know there's a big difference between shooting a target and shooting something that moves and is wild.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 4:15 pm to toni_the_tigress
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Also, when I go out of state and ride up into the mountains, would I be better off with the pistol or continue to do what I do now which is carry a rifle in a scabbard? I always go with dogs and I don't want to look like I'm paranoid, but if I'm riding by myself I feel like I should have some type of weapon and protection (though the dogs are good for the latter).
I would think the things I would be afraid of while riding on a horse are really big things that aren't bothered by a little small arms fire from a pistol. I would continue to use a rifle from a scabbard on horseback. Doesn't hurt to have a pistol on a thigh holster though to compliment the rifle. But that's just me.
I do more pistol training at home than I do at the range. Lining up the sights and pulling the trigger is the easiest part of the process. Being able to quickly draw and safely present your weapon is the hard part that part can easily be done at home with an unloaded pistol. In fact it's much safer that way. Practice drawing from a variety of positions so you can do it safely with little to no thought.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:38 am to toni_the_tigress
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I don't plan on ever using it in defense (who does) but I want to be where using it is embedded in my muscle memory (if that makes sense).
I'm surprised a lot of people glossed over this detail. But in terms of what you're asking and the other details pertaining to your question, I see it as having two separate parts.
1. Practicing with a semi automatic handgun in a safe, efficient, and practical way.
2. Carrying a handgun in the backwoods for large predators.
So I'll give my take on both.
As for #1, your statement confuses me because most people who train with their handguns for defensive purposes don't plan on ever using it defensively. But the fact that defensive handgun training is the fastest way to become proficient with a handgun, you knock out two birds with one stone - you become able to fight with your handgun while also becoming a proficient, accurate, instinctual shooter. So as far as handgun training, I wouldn't pigeon hole yourself into avoiding instruction that encompasses defensive handgun use. You'd be missing out on a lot of excellent instruction.
As for #2, most defensive semi automatic handguns chambered in the 3 main service cartridges (9mm Luger, 40 S&W, 45 ACP) are seen as insufficient against large predators. I don't live up in the mountains so can't give an expert opinion but it seems that most who do only trust their sidearm in the woods if it's a 357 magnum revolver at a minimum, with most favoring 44 magnum. I think it's smart to keep your rifle with you since the rifle will give you better accuracy and better muzzle energy in general. But there's nothing wrong with taking both.
What area do you live in? If you live in Louisiana, there are some excellent resources for defensive handgun training, and as Ace alluded to, there are some all-female courses if you'd prefer that.
As for training with a large revolver against predators, I'm unsure where you could seek out that kind of training in the south.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:56 pm to bapple
I live in the North Texas area but have been going up to NM and Colorado a lot lately. I'll probably try to get lessons in N.M. I'm a little concerned when you talk about bigger pistols not being useful against large predators - I'm not very big and I probably can't use the bigger pistols (I admit I haven't tried one).
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:13 pm to toni_the_tigress
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I'm a little concerned when you talk about bigger pistols not being useful against large predators - I'm not very big and I probably can't use the bigger pistols (I admit I haven't tried one).
Revolvers are heavy enough that they are pretty forgiving when it comes to recoil. They are just a bit more of a challenge to lug around the woods.
Here's an example that would be decent in the woods - a 6" Ruger GP100 in 357 Magnum
Also be sure to keep your thumbs behind the cylinder when you shoot a revolver. The small gap between the cylinder and the barrel is called the forcing cone and can let out a lot of pressure. Here's a good revolver grip:
Don't be afraid of magnum revolvers but definitely go to the range and try them out before you go into the woods with one. They are loud as sin and throw a big flame but are generally very fun to shoot.
EDIT: The most important thing - when you get your handgun get some good instruction from a skilled instructor. He/she can give you the ins and outs of using both a semi automatic and a revolver. But don't doubt your abilities on your small stature alone. There are some pretty impressive female shooters that barely surpass 5 feet in height.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:27 pm to bapple
Thanks.
I can borrow some bigger pistols and I have a place (with an instructor) to try out some larger pistols.
I think I want a semi automatic pistol rather than a revolver.
I can borrow some bigger pistols and I have a place (with an instructor) to try out some larger pistols.
quote:That's not my problem :LOL - I'm a giraffe. My wrists and arms are not very big (they make up for it by being long monkey arms).
There are some pretty impressive female shooters that barely surpass 5 feet in height.
I think I want a semi automatic pistol rather than a revolver.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:54 pm to toni_the_tigress
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I think I want a semi automatic pistol rather than a revolver.
A full sized 9mm would be the perfect starting point for you. That is what I start all of my students on in my concealed carry classes and have yet to find someone who can't handle some variation of full sized 9.
I mention height referring to those tiny women to illustrate that it's more about learning to absorb the recoil than it is not being able to handle it. As long as your grip is proper it will transfer the recoil impulse through your arms and into your shoulders. It's much easier to absorb recoil that way than taking it all in your wrists. A good instructor teaching you proper technique should do that job just fine and you'll find your recoil management improves on each range visit. You're simply building muscle memory just like any other activity.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:56 pm to bapple
Should I buy a pistol first or should I try to shoot a couple of different models to see which one is the best fit? Both options are available to me. Thanks.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:19 pm to toni_the_tigress
I would definitely shoot a variety of handguns to know what fits you rather than dropping a few hundred bucks and finding out it's not the right gun for you.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:12 pm to toni_the_tigress
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I think I want a semi automatic pistol rather than a revolver.
And, not to step on any of the experts' toes (bapple is an expert in this particular area) - but, I guess I just blew past the part of this thread where you're planning on NOT carrying a rifle like you do now.
A rifle is going to better outdoors, better against predators, better in almost every situation except close quarters, and even then I'm not always sure.
So, let's get back to this revolver vs pistol. Any handgun is a compromise - a "good enough gun" that gives you a chance to fight your way to a real gun. If you're carrying a rifle, I would still consider that the primary arm and a pistol would be a backup. And revolvers (although certainly obsolete as a primary side arm) have more robust chamberings and many are used by hunters to take game - even the .357 Magnum, at the lower range of power, would likely be an improvement in game or predator situations over a service cartridge semi-automatic.
What kind of rifle are you carrying now and how proficient are you with it?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:48 am to bapple
Change subject, sorry, but what do you think about a double barrel 12 ga. for home protection?
I have dogs so I'm not going to wake up with an intruder in my bedroom so I assume I'll have time to get to the shotgun (which is near my bed).
A shotgun seems more "nervous proof" than a pistol.
I have dogs so I'm not going to wake up with an intruder in my bedroom so I assume I'll have time to get to the shotgun (which is near my bed).
A shotgun seems more "nervous proof" than a pistol.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 2:12 pm to toni_the_tigress
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Change subject, sorry, but what do you think about a double barrel 12 ga. for home protection?
A shotgun isn't a bad choice but a double barrel shotgun is a bad choice. You permanently limit yourself to two rounds with a double barrel.
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A shotgun seems more "nervous proof" than a pistol.
Not exactly. Here are the things to know with a shotgun:
1. Shotguns still must be aimed. It's not like the movies where you can fire from the hip with precision.
2. 12 gauge shotguns have quite a bit of recoil, even more so when using defensive ammo like buckshot. If you haven't shot a lot of long guns with lots of recoil, I would start practicing now or avoid it altogether.
3. Shotguns may increase your chances of making a good hit because the shot pattern is larger. Again, you still have to aim them but a 9mm bullet in flight will only make a 9mm-sized hole whereas the bbs from a shotgun will spread out a bit.
4. That picture you had previously posted with you shooting an AR15 shows me that you can handle the AR platform. I would highly advise the AR15 over a 12 gauge for the extra capacity (30 rounds versus 9 max) and the fact that a lightweight, high-velocity projectile will go through significantly fewer walls if you miss.
5. Know the limitations of a long gun indoors. Handguns are much more portable and make going through doorways fairly trouble-free whereas a long gun is a bit more cumbersome. If you were to choose a long gun for home defense I would definitely seek out more training. For a shotgun I wouldn't go over 18" in barrel length, and for an AR I wouldn't go over 16".
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