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re: Specialty Feed
Posted on 9/14/10 at 7:08 pm to thanksjhester
Posted on 9/14/10 at 7:08 pm to thanksjhester
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I just think hunting over bait is wrong.
I know in many states there is a negative vibe that comes with hunting over a baited area. Fact of the matter is, often times you may be the Whitetail's only source of high protein vegetation in a tough winter.
Often deer herds survive the rough winters up on properties in Iowa and Wisconsin because of the corn fields left standing and the green plots planted by generous hunters.
Most folks that don't hunt over corn or other bait assume that it's like feeding cattle, you just ring the bell and they stick their head in the food, it's simply not so. Aside from the depths of winter, whitetails often have numerous resources and develop inconsistent patterns for feeding.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 7:15 pm to Funreaux
quote:I totally agree where they have really rough winters,but we dont have too much down south here that starves whitetails
I know in many states there is a negative vibe that comes with hunting over a baited area. Fact of the matter is, often times you may be the Whitetail's only source of high protein vegetation in a tough winter. Often deer herds survive the rough winters up on properties in Iowa and Wisconsin because of the corn fields left standing and the green plots planted by generous hunters. Most folks that don't hunt over corn or other bait assume that it's like feeding cattle, you just ring the bell and they stick their head in the food, it's simply not so. Aside from the depths of winter, whitetails often have numerous resources and develop inconsistent patterns for feeding.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:00 pm to Funreaux
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Most folks that don't hunt over corn or other bait assume that it's like feeding cattle, you just ring the bell and they stick their head in the food, it's simply not so. Aside from the depths of winter, whitetails often have numerous resources and develop inconsistent patterns for feeding.
This.
I will also add that feeding during the summer really helps the does when they are suckling fawns. They really get drawn down by having to produce milk.
I put out corn, protein pellets, rice bran, roasted soybeans, sweet feed, etc, and any combination of these, mostly because I like looking at deer pictures all year. (and that doesn't include the food plots that we have planted) Plus, a lot of the surrounding land is planted in pine and I like to think we are improving the herd by providing high quality food sources.
Anyone who thinks that you can throw some corn out and deer come running have obviously never hunted over corn. If anything it lets the deer feed easily during the night.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:29 pm to TigerDeacon
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If anything it lets the deer feed easily during the night.
This is one reason a lot of people are against baiting. It makes the deer more nocturnal.
I preferably like to hunt without feed. My favorite part about hunting is the scouting. The only time I like to use feed is to get pics for my camera.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:47 pm to JasonL79
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It makes the deer more nocturnal.
I really don't see a solid argument for this. Deer will eat when they eat, this just gives them more options and locations, often with better nutrition.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:51 pm to thanksjhester
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I totally agree where they have really rough winters,but we dont have too much down south here that starves whitetails
What do you think Whitetails do after the acorns are no longer edible, and the green foliage isn't there?
Deer rely on us to be good stewards.
But by all means, don't bait. Just don't plan on harvesting any quality deer in the winter because they'll all be on my farm where there are green fields and plentiful sources of protein.
People who refuse to feed their deer are holding their deer back from reaching their full potential.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:18 pm to Funreaux
No theres a difference between feeding the deer and baiting a field i always plant food plots but not with corn or corn feeders planting a food plot is different and if you dont do this your a dumb arse
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:44 pm to Maroon80
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No theres a difference between feeding the deer and baiting a field i always plant food plots but not with corn or corn feeders planting a food plot is different and if you dont do this your a dumb arse
Oh, the irony!
Please don't make this board into the Outdoor OT or the Outdoor Rant. If you are going to call someone stupid make sure you at least use proper English.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:55 pm to Funreaux
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I really don't see a solid argument for this. Deer will eat when they eat, this just gives them more options and locations, often with better nutrition.
I'm not talking about food plots. Talking about corn (in the bag). Although I don't agree with it totally, lots of people say it will make them go nocturnal. Also something to think about, if you are feeding and you go constantly to that feeder, deer will sense you have been there.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:01 pm to JasonL79
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lots of people say it will make them go nocturnal.
My game cameras say this too.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:03 pm to TigerDeacon
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lots of people say it will make them go nocturnal.
My game cameras say this too.
I'm sure it does. Mine used to say the same thing too. I'm sure human pressure has something to do with that too.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:04 pm to TigerDeacon
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TigerDeacon
Are you really one of those people who have nothing better to contribute to a thread than correcting someones grammar in something so informal as an online message board please tell me your better than that
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:22 pm to Maroon80
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Are you really one of those people who have nothing better to contribute to a thread than correcting someones grammar in something so informal as an online message board please tell me your better than that
NO, I'm one of those people that fought hard for years to get this board started and I don't like seeing something for which a lot of us waited a long time be brought down to the lowest common denominator like the Rant.
Now, if you don't have something constructive to add to the conversation, don't post.
(and telling someone "your a dumb arse" is NOT constructive)
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:43 pm to TigerDeacon
Ok first off i wasnt calling anyone a dumb arse in the first place so get your facts straight and dont get your panties in a wad and i said dumb arse because i didnt want to say dumb arse but forget it next time ill say "you would be unwise" instead of dumb arse so i dont step on any toes of a supposed "founder" of a message board
Posted on 9/15/10 at 7:20 am to JasonL79
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This is one reason a lot of people are against baiting. It makes the deer more nocturnal.
I feel deer being nocturnal is more to do with mother nature then bags of corn on the ground. In states that baiting is not allowed deer still follow the weather patterns / moon phases / and things like this.
For example I have been getting a lot of night time shots on my camera...and I feel it has more to do with the temps being over 100 degrees than anything else.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 10:03 am to TexasTiger
Yea I agree deer being nocturnal has to do with moon phases and the weather but I'm no biologist that's just my belief as well
Posted on 9/15/10 at 1:12 pm to Maroon80
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No theres a difference between feeding the deer and baiting a field i always plant food plots but not with corn or corn feeders planting a food plot is different and if you dont do this your a dumb arse
I personally fail to see the difference. Supplying 50-75 lbs. of corn or rice bran at a given location on a weekly basis is more constructive to a deer's diet than planting some cheap rye grass across 3 acres or down a trail.
I, as a good steward and responsible landowner, supply the whitetail herds I manage with the best nutrition I possibly can, in hopes that they will reach their full harvesting potential at the age of 4.5-5.5 years old. Your choice to not harvest deer over a food source is your choice. But don't tell me I'm doing it wrong, or cheating.
Whitetail deer are not destination feeders, unlike other mammals. They eat food all throughout the day and night. They often actually prefer eating fresh shoots and leaves more than corn or wheat. As a deer travels along his normal trails, his trail is often dictated by the food sources available along the way, not the terrain. Furthermore, to insinuate that provide bait to whitetails drastically changes the time of travel is just blatantly inaccurate.
Personally, much of my early season food plots consist of corn and bean mixed fields... After the frost, I return and broadcast seed within the field and allow the cooling and freezing on the ground to cause the seed to descend far enough for germination. This allows time for the field to develop green food source, while the corn and beans are devoured.
What's the difference between me planting the field and scattering the corn? The food's the same
I'll bet y'all croak if you saw the 18 wheeler loads of sweet potatoes that I bring in each fall.
This post was edited on 9/15/10 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/15/10 at 1:36 pm to Funreaux
Fun
I agree with most of what you are saying...I plant and feed almost year round with feeders, but corn is not really a healty item to feed deer all the time. It has very little nurtinal value and can cause stomach problems over time if this is all they are fed. I know you feed more than just corn from the info you gave in your post, but thats my 2 cents when it comes to corn.
I use corn as well its just not my main staple for nutrients.
I agree with most of what you are saying...I plant and feed almost year round with feeders, but corn is not really a healty item to feed deer all the time. It has very little nurtinal value and can cause stomach problems over time if this is all they are fed. I know you feed more than just corn from the info you gave in your post, but thats my 2 cents when it comes to corn.
I use corn as well its just not my main staple for nutrients.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 1:40 pm to JasonL79
quote:Dead on pal
I preferably like to hunt without feed. My favorite part about hunting is the scouting. The only time I like to use feed is to get pics for my camera.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 2:05 pm to Funreaux
I hear what you are saying funreaux and i agree in feeding deer all year round and would use corn in that purpose if i could but i would plant something different during the season because i just dont think its very sporting to hunt over something that draws the deer in as much as corn does but to each his own
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