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re: Snake ID - mimic edition

Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

Snout can be black or red


Ahhh, that's why I leave the ID threads to the experts.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:32 pm to
I got that from LDWF
Posted by Dorothy
Munchkinland
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

Thats gonna have a white belly and be a scarlet snake, Cemophora coccinea


Husband just got home, saw pic, and agrees that it's a Scarlet snake. Something about the first neckband being a bit yellower than the rest, and having a pointier snout. Also agreed on the patternless white belly.

Somewhat rarer find than the Louisiana Milk, so I hope your friend let it live.

Posted by mamoutiga
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 6:01 pm to
Looks like a scarlet King snake
Posted by AthensRattler
Classic City, GA
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 6:24 pm to
Yeah the nose is a pretty big difference between Lampropeltis and Cemophora. After a while you don't need to flip them over anymore to tell. The one in the OP screams Cemophora. I am surprised to hear that scarlet snakes (Cemophora) are more rare than Louisiana milks (Lampropeltis). In GA, scarlet snakes are very common, though seldom seen (except on roads at night), in comparison to our Lampropeltis representative, the scarlet King snake, that can be uncommon.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:01 pm to
That's a scarlet. Very uncommon find. Awesome snake.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

hope your friend let it live
Almost positive he did.
Posted by Dorothy
Munchkinland
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

I am surprised to hear that scarlet snakes (Cemophora) are more rare than Louisiana milks (Lampropeltis). In GA, scarlet snakes are very common, though seldom seen (except on roads at night), in comparison to our Lampropeltis representative, the scarlet King snake, that can be uncommon.


Not sure if milks are more common or just not as elusive as Scarlets around that part of Louisiana. He says he finds a lot of Scarlet snakes farther east, especially the Florida panhandle.
Posted by 911Moto
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 8:39 am to
Looks like a La. Milk - that's the holy grail right there. When we were kids, my brother caught one in da parish. Saw one other dead one once. Only two I've come across in our area.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 9:29 am to
quote:

the first neckband being a bit yellower than the rest
Now that I've seen lots of pics of both, I think this is probably important.
Posted by BIG Texan
Texas
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:26 am to
King snake and Milk Snake same thing. They eat copperheads.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:24 am to
quote:

King snake and Milk Snake same thing
Not really. Our King(Lampropeltis elapsoides) only lives in the Fl. Parishes. Lampropeltis triangulum(Milk) has a much wider distribution.
Posted by Mung
NorCal
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:49 am to
Going w Milk

Red on yellow, kill a fellow
Red on black, good for Jack
Posted by SECond2none™
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:01 pm to
From La DWF website:

Scarlet Kingsnake:



Scarlet Snake:



Milk Snake:



Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:15 pm to
I actually caught one this time. Pretty sure we are talking Scarlet King on this one. My first ever.

Posted by Dorothy
Munchkinland
Member since Oct 2008
18154 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:25 pm to
Same area? Probably a LA Milk. Pretty sure Scarlet kings aren't found west of the MS River.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 8:27 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:27 pm to
Ha, I didn't even bother to look at the range map. Yep, has to be Milk.
Posted by Dorothy
Munchkinland
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:33 pm to
He's a cutie. We once had baby Scarlet Kingsnakes hatch--they looked like little striped worms. Where did you find it--in leaf litter or a dead tree?
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:35 pm to
First one is a scarlet and second is either milk or scarlet king, IMO.

Didn't read your range map comment. Milk looks right.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 8:37 pm
Posted by jeffereycole
Gallup, New Mexico
Member since May 2012
142 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:52 pm to
Scarlet snake. Another indicator is that the bands don't go all the way through the belly they are not really bands
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