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re: Recommendations for 10mm Hard Cast Ammunition
Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre trying to start a bizarre argument where one doesnt exist.
There’s no argument. I simply stated the owner of the company who has killed bears with each prefers a certain load over the 10mm.
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Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:17 pm to texag7
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There’s no argument. I simply stated the owner of the company who has killed bears with each prefers a certain load over the 10mm.
Of course, as I stated previously we all have our preferences.
I trust people who make a living on the same land as I, dealing with the same animals that I do over anyone else, and here its 10mm
Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That’s fine. But I would say your first mistake is believing muzzle energy is the most important thing in killing dangerous game. Which it’s not.
Penetration and bullet retention are more important than if one load has X more muzzle energy on the cardboard box than the other.
Penetration and bullet retention are more important than if one load has X more muzzle energy on the cardboard box than the other.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:28 pm to texag7
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your first mistake
Jesus fricking christ.
Youre welcome to come lecture all these grizzled baws locally who have hunted 1000 lb bears for decades. I;'m sure they'll find you amusing.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Jesus fricking christ. Youre welcome to come lecture all these grizzled baws locally who have hunted 1000 lb bears for decades. I;'m sure they'll find you amusing.
This isn’t a serious reply and offers nothing to respond to. You can try again, if you want.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:40 pm to MakersMark
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would get some well in advance so you can go to the range and make sure they cycle through your gun before you take it into the woods.
With the amount of pressure those things are chunking I would be surprised if they couldn't cycle a Howitzer
Eta: I carried Buffalo Bore in my 29sf glock for years until someone felt the need to relieve me of it. The only Solace I took from them stealing it is knowing that the first round may have hit the target they were aiming at, but the second round likely fired a bullet underneath their chin from the sheer recoil from the first one. Buffalo Bar in a compact is quite spirited until you are used to it
This post was edited on 9/17/25 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 9/17/25 at 6:40 pm to texag7
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This isn’t a serious reply
Youre trying to create drama where it doest exist. I have no clue what youre doing here.
You trust who you want, I trust those I live and hunt with in bear country.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 7:10 pm to X123F45
The problem is the bullet profile, particularly the flat nose and short ogive. Some semi autos dont like that.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 7:13 pm to Swamp Angel
I have a Glock 10mm but I’m gonna try some of buffalo bore 9mm in my Glock 43x this year and hopefully get a shot on a hog to try it out. I don’t spend time in griz country so more for black bear or fat crackheads.
Carrying a Glock 20 gets old with all the other stuff and I find myself leaving it for my g43x plus I feel like I can put more rounds on target faster with my 43x than I can the 20sf. If you go to Buffalo bore website they show the bear and damage to it.
Guide who killed bear with 9mm BB ammo
Carrying a Glock 20 gets old with all the other stuff and I find myself leaving it for my g43x plus I feel like I can put more rounds on target faster with my 43x than I can the 20sf. If you go to Buffalo bore website they show the bear and damage to it.
Guide who killed bear with 9mm BB ammo
This post was edited on 9/17/25 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre trying to create drama where it doest exist. I have no clue what youre doing here.
This is what you said…
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He thinks the size makes up for the energy difference, which if you are breaking bones I wouldnt bet on.
The guy literally makes the ammo Alaskan State Troopers carry. I simply stated muzzle energy is not the most important factor when stopping dangerous game, which is true. You don’t believe him, yet have probably never killed a bear in your life.
Stop getting bent out of shape because you’re uninformed. It’s ok
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:33 pm to texag7
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The guy literally makes the ammo Alaskan State Troopers carry.
Youre trying to start an argument that isnt there.
Youre a drama queen. Thats not what this board is for. If you want to argue, go to the poli board and I'll be glad to mix it up.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre trying to start an argument that isnt there.
You’re the one that claimed the owner of Buffalo Bore is wrong.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:36 pm to texag7
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You’re the one that claimed the owner of Buffalo Bore is wrong.
No, youre illiterate.
"I;m not convinced" and "I wouldnt bet on" doesnt mean he's wrong.
This post was edited on 9/17/25 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No, youre illiterate.
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Ive seen his videos and I'm not convinced. He thinks the size makes up for the energy difference, which if you are breaking bones I wouldnt bet on.
This is your quote. You disagree with the main guy in the US that makes hard cast hunting ammo. And your response is about muzzle energy “breaking bones”. Showing you have no real grasp of external ballistics or hunting large game in general.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:42 pm to texag7
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You disagree
Youre truly special. Fo find a grown up to read and explain to you where youre wrong.
Have you become an Alabama fan yet? It seems to happen earlier every year. Used to be regularly in November.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre truly special. Fo find a grown up to read and explain to you where youre wrong. Have you become an Alabama fan yet? It seems to happen earlier every year. Used to be regularly in November.
If I was wrong, I would not respond and bring up something completely unrelated to the topic at hand
Oh hey Roger
Posted on 9/17/25 at 9:04 pm to Ol boy
I carried a .45 colt in a chest holster with grizzly hard cast for a few trips when I was scouting. That and a rifle is too much iron to carry around.
Brought a p365 on subsequent trips and it was wayyyyyyy nicer and therefore was actually with me all the time.
I figure if a bear wants me im PROBABLY fricked regardless of the weapon im carrying, so im carrying more for the two legged predators anyway. I know a couple of guys who have gotten robbed at gunpoint at trailheads.
Glock 20 kinda hits the magical sweet spot of horsepower vs capacity vs weight. The cool kids are all switching to 9mm though.
Brought a p365 on subsequent trips and it was wayyyyyyy nicer and therefore was actually with me all the time.
I figure if a bear wants me im PROBABLY fricked regardless of the weapon im carrying, so im carrying more for the two legged predators anyway. I know a couple of guys who have gotten robbed at gunpoint at trailheads.
Glock 20 kinda hits the magical sweet spot of horsepower vs capacity vs weight. The cool kids are all switching to 9mm though.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 4:34 am to bbvdd
load will kill humans too, but if you have to shoot a human miscreant in order to protect others, be cognizant that this bullet will go through several humans with one shot if you 
Posted on 9/18/25 at 6:42 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I carried a .45 colt in a chest holster with grizzly hard cast for a few trips when I was scouting. That and a rifle is too much iron to carry around.
The 10mm I'll be carrying is the Sig P220 Elite (Scorpion model that Cabela's and Bass Pro carried as special to them). It weighs 44 oz empty. Yes, that's pretty heavy, but it rides nicely in a chest rig. The thing I actually like about it's weight is that it really helps keep the firearm from jumping around a lot so it's easier to bring the sights back on target for fast follow up shots. The recoil feels more like it's pushing back against me rather than jumping around. It feels like it's easier for me to control 180 grain 10mm than my Beretta 92x Centurion with 124 grain ball ammo.
I like the fact that the entire firearm is steel construction. Kind of alleviates the worries about using hot loads and damaging the weapon.
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 6:49 am
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:01 am to Swamp Angel
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I like the fact that the entire firearm is steel construction.
Good. Striker fired 10mm is hit and miss as to what ammo they'll take.
Never go cheap buying a 10mm pistol. It most likely will not be able to handle the wide variety of ammo.
I looked at the P220 legion, but wanted a higher capacity. The P220 10mm gets rave reviews.
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