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re: Rage Hypodermic Broadhead Reviews
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:00 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:00 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
That's a mo bettah statement, I can concur with most of it.
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:02 am to AlxTgr
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BTW, I've had two broad head failures. Both fixed head. It had nothing to do with design. The metal failed. That can happen regardless of design.
That is irrelevant too. This thread is discussing mechanical broadheads. I would never make such ab ignorant statement that fixed blade broadheads are not prone to failure (like you have about repeatedly done in this thread about mechanicals).
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:04 am to Bleeding purple
quote:I've always been worried about that type of deployment.
the NAP killzone blades
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:06 am to AlxTgr
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Post better and this will not happen.
Oh really? This was my original post that you responded to...
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IF something is mechanical, it will fail. It's just a matter of time.
That was not a bad post. It was not directed at you, and was merely supporting the claim of the entire reason for the origination of this thread.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:09 am to AlxTgr
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I've always been worried about that type of deployment.
I have never had a failed deployment. This includes when I shot a turkey in the neck last fall. both blades deployed fully, and I nearly decapitated the bird. However, reuse of the head seems very risky and not worth the $40 for 3 if they can not be reused.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:10 am to dnm3305
quote:It's just a terrible statement. The context is mechanical heads. They are not meant to be used over and over. I change the blades in mine after every shot. There is no matter of time. Each time is the first time.
IF something is mechanical, it will fail. It's just a matter of time.
That was not a bad post.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:14 am to dnm3305
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This thread is discussing mechanical broadheads
This thread was really discussing reviews on rage broadheads and specifically rage's hypodermic.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:15 am to dnm3305
quote:I can't believe this is free.
That is irrelevant too. This thread is discussing mechanical broadheads. I would never make such ab ignorant statement that fixed blade broadheads are not prone to failure (like you have about repeatedly done in this thread about mechanicals).
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:16 am to Bleeding purple
Many times when a head passes thru a deer, the (MY) blades snap back into place on the other side,, usually by hitting the ground or SOMETHING?!?!?! After inspection,, see hair, blood, etc, SOMETHING will be able to show that it opened, cut, did its job.
IMO, most "failures" of all kinds are due to operator error, or, shot placement..
IMO, most "failures" of all kinds are due to operator error, or, shot placement..
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:27 am to AlxTgr
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It's just a terrible statement. The context is mechanical heads. They are not meant to be used over and over. I change the blades in mine after every shot. There is no matter of time. Each time is the first time.
And that proves my point that you made an assumption instead of asking for clarification. I was not insinuating shooting the same head. I didnt feel like I had to clarify that, because it would be pretty god damned stupid to repeatedly shoot a mechanical head, now wouldnt it? I was discussing the nature of mechanical objects in general. If 1000 mechanical broadheads were indvidually shot one time each, do you think all 1000 would deploy properly and function exactly like they are supposed to? Ill give you the answer, no they wouldnt. To say that a mechanical head will never fail like youve said multiple times in here is pretty damn ignorant. Perhaps you need to not be an a-hole and post better yourself.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:33 am to dnm3305
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I was discussing the nature of mechanical objects in general. If 1000 mechanical broadheads were indvidually shot one time each, do you think all 1000 would deploy properly and function exactly like they are supposed to?
yep.
I think a 0.001 failure rate for a brand new mechanism that relies on a single simple sliding or pivoting action and direct applied force would be a VERY high failure rate.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:36 am to Bleeding purple
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I think a 0.001 failure rate for a brand new mechanism that relies on a single simple sliding or pivoting action and direct applied force would be a VERY high failure rate.
Hey, if you buy the broadheads, I'll do the test.
I would think that you'd have plenty of premature blade deployment in 1000 shots. Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:59 am to dnm3305
Do you think the first time failure rate for brand new extension ladders, scissors, channel lock pliers, folding pocket knives, office stapler, surgical hemostats, fingernail clippers, or metal frame sunglasses is 1 in 1000?
All of those are mechanical and rely on direct applied force to move parts by simple sliding or pivoting action that is not unlike a mechanical broad head.
Hell, I bet the first time brand new failure rate for much more complicated mechanical objects like automobiles, airplanes, digital safe locks, copy machines, and chainsaws is far less than 1/1000.
All of those are mechanical and rely on direct applied force to move parts by simple sliding or pivoting action that is not unlike a mechanical broad head.
Hell, I bet the first time brand new failure rate for much more complicated mechanical objects like automobiles, airplanes, digital safe locks, copy machines, and chainsaws is far less than 1/1000.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:06 pm to Bleeding purple
A major difference there is the force is being applied by a person, which is like having a PID controller and feedback loop. A broad head is relying on crashing into shite.
ETA: I doubt the first stroke failure on any mechanical device is 1/1000.
ETA: I doubt the first stroke failure on any mechanical device is 1/1000.
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:09 pm to Bleeding purple
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Do you think the first time failure rate for brand new extension ladders, scissors, channel lock pliers, folding pocket knives, office stapler, surgical hemostats, fingernail clippers, or metal frame sunglasses is 1 in 1000?
Well that depends I suppose, would you be slinging a stapler at over 300 fps? If you apply 80+ ft/lbs of kinetic energy to a stapler and it lives to tell the tale, then I want that stapler. Obviously a tongue in cheek answer, but let's not get away from the intent of the object and the amount of force involved. They are not apples to apples.
And sorry to the OP for this getting so far off topic. To the spirit of the thread, I'd shoot any manufacturer's mechanical broadhead. I just wouldnt shoot any of them over a fixed broadhead. That's only personal preference.
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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force is being applied by a person
Force is force.
But for the sake of argument:
Do you think the mechanical failure rate on a brand new buzzbait, folding sea anchor, metal weathervane, swinging doggie door, auto latching gate latch is anywhere near as high as 1/1000?
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:29 pm to Bleeding purple
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Do you think the mechanical failure rate on a brand new buzzbait, folding sea anchor, metal weathervane, swinging doggie door, auto latching gate latch is anywhere near as high as 1/1000?
No, not at all? Why?
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:36 pm to dnm3305
it is a retort to Downshift that all of those are simple sliding or pivoting mechanical action devices that the force is not direct from a human.
As far as the kinetic energy, the average grip strength of an adult male in Airforce trials was just under 600 ft lb in the dominant hand so I am sure the channel locks withstand energy exceeding that of an arrow.
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As far as the kinetic energy, the average grip strength of an adult male in Airforce trials was just under 600 ft lb in the dominant hand so I am sure the channel locks withstand energy exceeding that of an arrow.
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:42 pm to Bleeding purple
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As far as the kinetic energy, the average grip strength of an adult male in Airforce trials was just under 600 ft lb in the dominant hand so I am sure the channel locks withstand energy exceeding that of an arrow.
Well yea, I would assume so. But those channel locks arent .035" thick either.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:48 pm to JasonL79
I just got a text from a buddy (very reliable source) this morning with a picture of a rage broadhead that didn't do the job.
The message i got was, "A buddy of mine killed a doe in South LA yesterday and found this lodged in her neck. (attached picture) One of their members shot this doe last season and didn't recover it. He confirmed it was his arrow/broadhead."
You make the decision.
The message i got was, "A buddy of mine killed a doe in South LA yesterday and found this lodged in her neck. (attached picture) One of their members shot this doe last season and didn't recover it. He confirmed it was his arrow/broadhead."
You make the decision.
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