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re: Question on wild pig meat....update pg 2

Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:02 pm to
I'm just going to leave this here:


I have killed, processed, prepared, served, and eaten literally hundreds of wild hogs. I have eaten hogs from 15 lbs, up to 305, sows and boars. I have never had hog meat taste or smell like piss. I have never had anyone of the dozens of people from as many states that I have served wild hog to that disliked the meat. Every single one has asked for more. Many here can attest to the delicious nature of wild hog served from my table.


Process your wild game animals in a timely manner with some common sense and minimal basic knowledge of bacteriology and you should never have foul tasting meat.









Now I'm headed home to debone the 3 doe we killed 10 days ago that are still sitting in a Coleman cooler on ice (not ice water) on my patio.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 5:24 pm
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8606 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:20 pm to
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There is a lot of people in this thread who seem to be ruining game meat way before they ever begin to cook it


Huge understatement lol
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17317 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:42 pm to
I’ve seen it both ways. Soaking whole quarters in ice water for multiple days is one of those things that just got passed down over the years, and it does nothing but ruin the outside 1/4” or so.

BUT the flip side to that is something that drives me nuts. I see people all the time quartering or deboning, throwing the whole steaming deer in an ice chest that’s barely big enough to hold it all, then just covering the top with ice. It will take hours for that meat to cool.

Where I think the soaking thing got started, and what I do if I can help it, is dunk the deboned and/or quartered pieces into ice water to quench them until they’re cold, then they go on regular ice. If that’s not practical I make sure to put a layer of ice on the bottom and between each piece as it goes in. The sooner you get that meat down from body temp, and nothing can do that faster than ice water, the less bacterial growth you’re gonna have and the longer it’s going to keep and the better it’s going to taste.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7698 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:46 pm to
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This ice water bath soak stuff needs to stop. It ruins the meat. Why did this become a thing?


When people only had access to ice and dont havE access to walk in coolers. This is not rocket surgery.

What are you gonna if you kill a deer on Monday and arent going home for week? Let it spoil?
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17317 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:57 pm to
There’s a difference between leaving it on ice and leaving it in ice water.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7698 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:15 pm to
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There’s a difference between leaving it on ice and leaving it in ice water.


Well we keep adding ice as it melts. If your meat is on ice it will soak in ice water even if you leave the plug off. Its not intended but its quite common unless you are baby sitting an ice chest all day every day. I rather hunt. The ice will keep it from spoiling. Even ice water keeps it from spoiling. Any bacteria on the meat will be cooked out.
Posted by Bama Shadow
Member since Jan 2009
575 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:25 pm to
Since this got bumped I'll give a little update. We smoked the 4 shoulders whole for BBQ, cut the hams into steaks and sliced the loin as well. Rest was ground and mixed with venison for sausages. Thus far we have made 25 lbs of breakfast sausage, 25 lbs of summer sausage, and 15lbs of 100% venison snack sticks. Still have about 50 lbs of venison and Boston Butts previously purchased that will be made into smoked sausage once we get the smoke house/smoker built. Everything so far has turned out excellent.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17317 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:26 pm to
I’m not arguing with you, I’m in the camp that thinks soaking in ice water has really no effect on a whole cut other than turning the outside white. You put a knife to it and even meat that’s soaked in water for days will be dark purple after the first 1/4”, unless you cut it up into reallly small pieces. The other side to that coin is it isn’t removing any “gamey” taste either. It would be the same on ice or in a walk-in past that outside layer that’s been water logged.

I’m a fan of anything that gets the meat cold quick and keeps it that way. Yes bacteria will be killed by cooking but the products of bacterial growth can still give the meat an off taste and/or give you the shits.
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5159 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:00 pm to
I hunt them in the swamps, so they get pretty tough, but here's what I do. Before I start skinning the whole damn thing, I cut a chunk off the front shoulder and throw it on the grill or in a skillet. If it's musty, you'll know.

Even on a boar, I'll slow roast the tenderloin, pull pork the rear leg quarters and sausage the shoulders.

On piglets and small females I cushon de lait.
Posted by SeaPickle
Thibodaux
Member since May 2011
3132 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 4:38 am to
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mylsuhat

Serious question.
What's wrong with the milk soak? My grandmaw (whose from down the bayou your way) does this and all her meat comes out excellent. I finally tried it on some deer stew meat this past weekend and it turned out better than the batch I didn't put milk on.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 5:45 am to
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This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 6:13 am
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 5:49 am to
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As great and knowledgeable as our grandparents are/were, they were terrible game cooks for the most part. I assume it's due to the ability to get the meat cooled and into a freezer in time for it not to spoil.



This. I used to be religious about soaking my deer meat because my dad had always done it. He hates the taste of wild game. I stopped soaking it and the meat doesn't taste as strong. I can tell when I pull deer meat from him out of the freezer because it smells like a goat. Doesn't matter if it's a buck or a doe....soaking it ruins it.
Posted by ElDawgHawg
L.A. (lower Arkansas)
Member since Nov 2012
2983 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:01 am to
I always allow my wild game meat to sit on ice for 24 hours before I process it. I don't add salt and keep any water drained off. Never had a problem with meat tasting bad.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:04 am to
quote:

I always allow my wild game meat to sit on ice for 24 hours before I process it. I don't add salt and keep any water drained off. Never had a problem with meat tasting bad.


24 hours isn't bad. I'm talking about the people who soak for a week or two. I normally put the meat in plastic bags and then have on top of a bit of ice and ice on top with the ice chest plug open.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48938 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:09 am to
quote:


Serious question.
What's wrong with the milk soak? My grandmaw (whose from down the bayou your way) does this and all her meat comes out excellent. I finally tried it on some deer stew meat this past weekend and it turned out better than the batch I didn't put milk on.
IMO you are changing them meat and taking so much flavor away from it.

I get it if you're frying backstrap and doing a buttermilk soak or something but if you take care of the meat properly from when you shoot it to when you freeze it, there is no reason to have to do this.


I go back to my statement before, our grandparents and theirs did this a lot because they didn't have easy access to ice, clean water, and refrigeration. So they used to milk to kill any bacteria or whatever that the meat may have picked up.

This is just my personal opinion. I try my best to never let any game meat, deer or pig, to soak in liquid for any amount of time.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:29 am to
Milk kills bacteria? What kind of milk are we talking about?
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48938 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:37 am to
I have no idea, I'm saying they used milk to mask the taste of the meat that wasn't necessarily handled properly
Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 10:10 am to
quote:

There is a lot of people in this thread who seem to be ruining game meat way before they ever begin to cook it


My dad would kill deer and give all the meat away because he hated the taste.

The reason he hated the taste is because he would kill the poor deer twice by cooking the meat to death.

Once I started killing, cleaning, and handling on my own, I figured out that he was the problem with the cooking and not the product itself.

The best wild game I ever had was when I had access to a meat cooler and was able to hang a doe for a week.

Keeping the meat cold and DRY and letting some enzymatic breakdown occur makes all the difference in the world.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 10:15 am to
Friend does backstrap sousvide and loves it
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 1/31/18 at 10:19 am to
Yep, aging meat makes all the difference in the world. Have you ever ate beef from a cow that was killed the same day? It's horrible and very gamey. It needs to be aged first, like what you buy at the store.
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